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From the actual source: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/138973.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/138973.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139232.html http://mjg5

by ori_b 15y ago

From the actual source: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/138973.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/138973.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139232.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139232.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139356.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139356.html This article is overly hyping the situation.

ajross 15y ago
The article is a little breathy, but it's a serious problem. If we don't get some kind of industry consensus on this, we're looking at a future where those of us who want to use a Linux desktop[1] are going to have to do it on jailbroken hardware. While the enthusiast motherboard community might be OK with some extra firmware settings and UIs, laptop vendors are simply never going to install and test extra junk that someone doesn't force them to. This is very scary. [1] You can tell us apart by the fact that we're taking this issue seriously. People who code on Macs and deploy to Linux servers (probably 70% of the user base on news.yc) obviously won't see a personal impact.
- ori_b 15y ago
  I agree that it should be fought. Running around panicking about how evil MS is will just waste time. Talking to hardware vendors to ask them what is needed to get Linux to run on their systems is the most productive course of action at the moment, I believe.
  - ajross 15y ago
    No offense, but Linux people have been trying to engage hardware vendors for decades now. If the hardware happens to be a rack server or Android phone, they tend to have decent success. If it's a laptop, the answer (if one comes back) is generally "You want to run what now?" No one cares. Margins are too thin to "engage the community" or any other such nonsense. Does it run Windows? Ship it.
    - ori_b 15y ago
      No offense, but Linux people have been screaming at Microsoft for decades now. It hasn't made a single difference. However, at this point, nearly all hardware out there has some degree of Linux support, often with the help of the vendor directly. There are two choices that might accomplish anything: Work with the vendors and try to work out a solution, or lawyer up.

by ori_b 15y ago

ajross 15y ago

The article is a little breathy, but it's a serious problem. If we don't get some kind of industry consensus on this, we're looking at a future where those of us who want to use a Linux desktop[1] are going to have to do it on jailbroken hardware. While the enthusiast motherboard community might be OK with some extra firmware settings and UIs, laptop vendors are simply never going to install and test extra junk that someone doesn't force them to. This is very scary. [1] You can tell us apart by the fact that we're taking this issue seriously. People who code on Macs and deploy to Linux servers (probably 70% of the user base on news.yc) obviously won't see a personal impact.

ori_b 15y ago
I agree that it should be fought. Running around panicking about how evil MS is will just waste time. Talking to hardware vendors to ask them what is needed to get Linux to run on their systems is the most productive course of action at the moment, I believe.
- ajross 15y ago
  No offense, but Linux people have been trying to engage hardware vendors for decades now. If the hardware happens to be a rack server or Android phone, they tend to have decent success. If it's a laptop, the answer (if one comes back) is generally "You want to run what now?" No one cares. Margins are too thin to "engage the community" or any other such nonsense. Does it run Windows? Ship it.
  - ori_b 15y ago
    No offense, but Linux people have been screaming at Microsoft for decades now. It hasn't made a single difference. However, at this point, nearly all hardware out there has some degree of Linux support, often with the help of the vendor directly. There are two choices that might accomplish anything: Work with the vendors and try to work out a solution, or lawyer up.