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> failing to provide proof of vaccination, despite being a 100% remote worker That seems weird. Are you only incidentally remote, or is your position officiall

> failing to provide proof of vaccination, despite being a 100% remote worker That seems weird. Are you only incidentally remote, or is your position officially a remote one? As in, if the company reverted "back to normal", would you still be remote without any close interactions with people on behalf of the company? If so, this demanding proof of vaccination doesn't make sense, but if not, then presumably it's hindering their ability to have you come back to the office like they would've wanted outside of the pandemic.

dboreham 5y ago
Note: employer vaccine mandates aren't only about workplace safety. They're also about motivating people to get vaccinated.
- dataflow 5y ago
  Sure, but unless the employer has a legitimate workplace/safety concern, why would that be any of the employer's business? Imagine if you had to submit proof to your employer that you have a healthy, well-balanced diet according to the FDA.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Some companies have required it historically. One justification I’ve heard used in the past for similar types of things (requirements for smoking or not smoking or whatever) was health insurance premiums, which in the US are often paid partially or fully by the employer.
    - dataflow 5y ago
      I certainly wouldn't buy that pretext for COVID-19 vaccination. Would the company let you cover health insurance yourself and stay unvaccinated? And required what exactly? Healthy diet or vaccination for remote-only workers, because of higher health insurance premiums? IIUC, it's outright illegal for that to affect health insurance. Smoking seems to be literally the only exception for health insurance [1]: > the Affordable Care Act, passed in 2014, prevents insurers from pricing plans according to health – with one exception: smoking status. [1] https://www.krqe.com/health/can-health-insurance-companies-charge-the-unvaccinated-higher-premiums-what-about-life-insurers-5-questions-answered/ https://www.krqe.com/health/can-health-insurance-companies-c...
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    My employer requires flu shots for certain roles, and has for many years. Never a problem till a political party made dewormers an alternative to a vaccine. They fired a few dozen people. Good news imo, they lost their ability to think.
    - dataflow 5y ago
      > certain roles Were they remote-only roles? Did those roles involve in-person interaction with others?
      - Spooky23 5y ago
        It’s a mix. In this case there are no roles where a person is fully remote and would never interact with other humans in person in a business context. It’a never been a problem until recently. I have colleagues in hospitals struggling with with similar problems. In one case, a group of medical professionals in a neonatal ICU refused covid and flu vaccines. Given the nature of the people whose care they are entrusted with, that’s unconscionable.
        dataflow 5y ago
        > In this case there are no roles where a person is fully remote and would never interact with other humans in person in a business context That's my entire point though. It depends on the role, like I've said in my comments. You've been agreeing with me this whole time.
- ars 5y ago
  That isn't really the function of an employer. And that's fine, lots of things aren't done at work, for example talking about politics and religion.
vdqtp3 5y ago
It's not weird at all. It's completely commonplace, whether or not you agree with it.
- dataflow 5y ago
  When I said "weird" I meant the logic was weird (read: illogical, unreasonable, etc.). I wasn't trying to claim anything about whether it was common or unusual.

dboreham 5y ago

Note: employer vaccine mandates aren't only about workplace safety. They're also about motivating people to get vaccinated.

dataflow 5y ago
Sure, but unless the employer has a legitimate workplace/safety concern, why would that be any of the employer's business? Imagine if you had to submit proof to your employer that you have a healthy, well-balanced diet according to the FDA.
- lazide 5y ago
  Some companies have required it historically. One justification I’ve heard used in the past for similar types of things (requirements for smoking or not smoking or whatever) was health insurance premiums, which in the US are often paid partially or fully by the employer.
  - dataflow 5y ago
    I certainly wouldn't buy that pretext for COVID-19 vaccination. Would the company let you cover health insurance yourself and stay unvaccinated? And required what exactly? Healthy diet or vaccination for remote-only workers, because of higher health insurance premiums? IIUC, it's outright illegal for that to affect health insurance. Smoking seems to be literally the only exception for health insurance [1]: > the Affordable Care Act, passed in 2014, prevents insurers from pricing plans according to health – with one exception: smoking status. [1] https://www.krqe.com/health/can-health-insurance-companies-charge-the-unvaccinated-higher-premiums-what-about-life-insurers-5-questions-answered/ https://www.krqe.com/health/can-health-insurance-companies-c...
- Spooky23 5y ago
  My employer requires flu shots for certain roles, and has for many years. Never a problem till a political party made dewormers an alternative to a vaccine. They fired a few dozen people. Good news imo, they lost their ability to think.
  - dataflow 5y ago
    > certain roles Were they remote-only roles? Did those roles involve in-person interaction with others?
    - Spooky23 5y ago
      It’s a mix. In this case there are no roles where a person is fully remote and would never interact with other humans in person in a business context. It’a never been a problem until recently. I have colleagues in hospitals struggling with with similar problems. In one case, a group of medical professionals in a neonatal ICU refused covid and flu vaccines. Given the nature of the people whose care they are entrusted with, that’s unconscionable.
      - dataflow 5y ago
        > In this case there are no roles where a person is fully remote and would never interact with other humans in person in a business context That's my entire point though. It depends on the role, like I've said in my comments. You've been agreeing with me this whole time.
ars 5y ago
That isn't really the function of an employer. And that's fine, lots of things aren't done at work, for example talking about politics and religion.

vdqtp3 5y ago

It's not weird at all. It's completely commonplace, whether or not you agree with it.

dataflow 5y ago
When I said "weird" I meant the logic was weird (read: illogical, unreasonable, etc.). I wasn't trying to claim anything about whether it was common or unusual.