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I once chased a job from a company whose business model I consider extremely unethical. The recruiter said straight up: “This is how the industry is, we don’t

I once chased a job from a company whose business model I consider extremely unethical. The recruiter said straight up: “This is how the industry is, we don’t like it, and we don’t have expect you to like it. In fact, if you did like it, we wouldn’t consider you. Our company’s practices make things a little better, or at least not worst, and we have bright lines we don’t cross.” I thought it was really great they were up front about things, and I wish I got that job. I knew a founder who worked in the seedy end of an industry (non-profit industry, ironically) and walked out when it got bad. I consider myself an ethical person. But when people say “yes it’s wrong, you don’t have to like like” that goes a long way with me.

ushakov 5y ago
you greatly underestimate how far these companies will go to find new suckers they were bluffing to get your sympathy so you don't pull your application, because they are aware candidates question their ethics > I wish I got that job see, worked
- pyuser583 5y ago
  I don’t see how it’s bluffing to say “yes, there’s bad stuff, you don’t have to like it.” “Bluffing” means faking something to get an advantage. So you think the company was filled with sadists who were trying to appear to be sympathetic to make hiring easier? It’s pretty easy to say “full disclosure, some stuff sucks. It’s ok to hate it, we all hate it. Just hold your nose and do it anyway.” Why fake that attitude? What advantage does the alternative present?
  - ushakov 5y ago
    it is bluffing when you admit wrongdoing but then keep doing it the advantage you get is a larger candidate pool who are more sympathetic with your company now after you portrayed yourself as a victim of circumstances outside your control, aka. "It's not us, anybody is doing it!" in reality nobody forced that company to adopt the business model, which OP described as unethical ever heard of Stockholm Syndrom?
sergiotapia 5y ago
A recruiter reached out once for a company that offered "better financial lending to underserved customers". Basically people with shit credit getting more loans with shark predatory rates. Can you imagine working there and looking at yourself in the mirror? You are actively contributing to the hellscape life of people. Fuck no.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Can you imagine working there and looking at yourself in the mirror? You are actively contributing to the hellscape life of people. Fuck no. Yeah, actually. "I'm helping to provide financial products to underserved customers that traditionally couldn't get access. Access to financial products can improve the lives of customers when they're used responsibly. A 300% APR loan might seem like a rip-off, but if you can't afford a car repair and you need it to get keep your job, then having the option to take out the loan is strictly better than having a broken car and losing your job. The high interest rates/fees are justified by the high credit risk of our customers, and competition ensures the interest rates aren't unreasonably high".
  - lazide 5y ago
    Whatever helps someone sleep at night I guess.
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  From what I hear¹ the research on payday loans is that on average they provide a useful service to their customers. Banning them makes poor people worse off. Of course, among policy makers, no one asks the poor people they claim to help. ¹ I've heard and read this several times, but I'm not going to dig out a reference.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    Yes, and those cars dealers outside of military bases that sell Ford Mustangs with 8 year, 30% loans are just supporting the troops.
- 5y ago

ushakov 5y ago

you greatly underestimate how far these companies will go to find new suckers they were bluffing to get your sympathy so you don't pull your application, because they are aware candidates question their ethics > I wish I got that job see, worked

pyuser583 5y ago
I don’t see how it’s bluffing to say “yes, there’s bad stuff, you don’t have to like it.” “Bluffing” means faking something to get an advantage. So you think the company was filled with sadists who were trying to appear to be sympathetic to make hiring easier? It’s pretty easy to say “full disclosure, some stuff sucks. It’s ok to hate it, we all hate it. Just hold your nose and do it anyway.” Why fake that attitude? What advantage does the alternative present?
- ushakov 5y ago
  it is bluffing when you admit wrongdoing but then keep doing it the advantage you get is a larger candidate pool who are more sympathetic with your company now after you portrayed yourself as a victim of circumstances outside your control, aka. "It's not us, anybody is doing it!" in reality nobody forced that company to adopt the business model, which OP described as unethical ever heard of Stockholm Syndrom?

sergiotapia 5y ago

A recruiter reached out once for a company that offered "better financial lending to underserved customers". Basically people with shit credit getting more loans with shark predatory rates. Can you imagine working there and looking at yourself in the mirror? You are actively contributing to the hellscape life of people. Fuck no.

gruez 5y ago
>Can you imagine working there and looking at yourself in the mirror? You are actively contributing to the hellscape life of people. Fuck no. Yeah, actually. "I'm helping to provide financial products to underserved customers that traditionally couldn't get access. Access to financial products can improve the lives of customers when they're used responsibly. A 300% APR loan might seem like a rip-off, but if you can't afford a car repair and you need it to get keep your job, then having the option to take out the loan is strictly better than having a broken car and losing your job. The high interest rates/fees are justified by the high credit risk of our customers, and competition ensures the interest rates aren't unreasonably high".
- lazide 5y ago
  Whatever helps someone sleep at night I guess.
BurningFrog 5y ago
From what I hear¹ the research on payday loans is that on average they provide a useful service to their customers. Banning them makes poor people worse off. Of course, among policy makers, no one asks the poor people they claim to help. ¹ I've heard and read this several times, but I'm not going to dig out a reference.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Yes, and those cars dealers outside of military bases that sell Ford Mustangs with 8 year, 30% loans are just supporting the troops.
5y ago