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>I think a judge could rule that Microsoft still has too much market power to let a free market optimize things for the good of the consumer How is the good of

>I think a judge could rule that Microsoft still has too much market power to let a free market optimize things for the good of the consumer How is the good of the consumer going to be served by allowing rootkits to load even before the antivirus can? >(totally unrelated questions that I am curious about: how will this signing stuff work when running Windows in a VM? Would MS dare charge companies that want to include a MS key in their hardware? What if that company is called Apple?) You have got it backwards. Windows 8 will boot on any machine or VM regardless of secure boot, UEFI, BIOS or what have you.

pyre 15y ago
> How is the good of the consumer going to be served by > allowing rootkits to load even before the antivirus can? So that 'good of the consumer' is served by being presented with a choice of either Windows 8 or OSX? With the possibility that the barrier to competition is too high due to the difficulty of getting keys onto OEM UEFI systems?
Someone 15y ago
1. One man's root kit is another man's Linux kernel. 2. Windows 8 may boot on untrusted hardware, but will it play rented movies, work with Office 365, run apps from Microsoft's store, etc? If Windows on untrusted hardware will not be a second-class citizen, why would Microsoft bother with secure boot?
- thwarted 15y ago
  Guh, one of the few times I do so on my phone, and I fat fingered the upvote attempt. Wasn't there discussion about separating the arrows? Sorry.
- cooldeal 15y ago
  >One man's root kit is another man's Linux kernel. Not really. More like ninety nine men's root is one man's kernel based on marketshare of Linux. > Windows 8 may boot on untrusted hardware, but will it play rented movies, work with Office 365, run apps from Microsoft's store, etc? If Windows on untrusted hardware will not be a second-class citizen, why would Microsoft bother with secure boot? What has this got to do with anything? That will exclude Windows 7 PCs with no EFI and thus MS will lose customers who would otherwise rent movies, buy Office 365, buy apps from MS store.

pyre 15y ago

> How is the good of the consumer going to be served by > allowing rootkits to load even before the antivirus can? So that 'good of the consumer' is served by being presented with a choice of either Windows 8 or OSX? With the possibility that the barrier to competition is too high due to the difficulty of getting keys onto OEM UEFI systems?

Someone 15y ago

1. One man's root kit is another man's Linux kernel. 2. Windows 8 may boot on untrusted hardware, but will it play rented movies, work with Office 365, run apps from Microsoft's store, etc? If Windows on untrusted hardware will not be a second-class citizen, why would Microsoft bother with secure boot?

thwarted 15y ago
Guh, one of the few times I do so on my phone, and I fat fingered the upvote attempt. Wasn't there discussion about separating the arrows? Sorry.
cooldeal 15y ago
>One man's root kit is another man's Linux kernel. Not really. More like ninety nine men's root is one man's kernel based on marketshare of Linux. > Windows 8 may boot on untrusted hardware, but will it play rented movies, work with Office 365, run apps from Microsoft's store, etc? If Windows on untrusted hardware will not be a second-class citizen, why would Microsoft bother with secure boot? What has this got to do with anything? That will exclude Windows 7 PCs with no EFI and thus MS will lose customers who would otherwise rent movies, buy Office 365, buy apps from MS store.