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If the problem is that accounts were being frozen without due process, then couldn't it be solved by adding some due process to it, instead of just banning free

If the problem is that accounts were being frozen without due process, then couldn't it be solved by adding some due process to it, instead of just banning freezing accounts outright? Treat it more like an arrest. People who are arrested still have rights; it should be the same here. It should be strong enough to limit criminals while still allowing the innocent proper recourse. Have a version of the writ of habeas corpus (habeas numus?) to quickly undo unlawful freezing. Maybe allow small amounts of money to be released to the accused, large enough to live on but too small to be of much use to criminals. Have an exception for paying for a lawyer. And if they're cleared, require banks not to keep records of the freezing to prevent discrimination. (Discussions of this topic should also all include a mention of civil forfeiture, which is effectively when police officers are legally allowed to rob you. This is a thing that already exists and happens regularly.)

LegitShady 5y ago
It was lawful freezing, in the sense that the Emergency Act allowed them to avoid due process, and was passed by the major left leaning parties in Canada. You don't need to add due process, it was already there. They decided this was worth declaring a war level emergency to clear out some protestors in ottawa. The border blockades had already been cleared by then.
avs733 5y ago
It's telling that so little of this conversation is conscious of who does and does not have access to 'a cashless society' and the myriad of ways the poor and working class are abused by it. Digital Jail? Seriously? Show me the concern when the feds seize the assets of someone they accuse of being a terrorist or a drug kingpin. HN suddenly cares about this because of some generalized hatred of Trudeau, but I can't remember a thread generating thousands of comments about companies trying to force employees to accept pay on fee heavy debit cards. The way that discussing a Canadian protest about vaccine mandates has come to take over HN feels bizarre, agenda pushy, and like a bunch of crocodile tears.

LegitShady 5y ago

It was lawful freezing, in the sense that the Emergency Act allowed them to avoid due process, and was passed by the major left leaning parties in Canada. You don't need to add due process, it was already there. They decided this was worth declaring a war level emergency to clear out some protestors in ottawa. The border blockades had already been cleared by then.

avs733 5y ago

It's telling that so little of this conversation is conscious of who does and does not have access to 'a cashless society' and the myriad of ways the poor and working class are abused by it. Digital Jail? Seriously? Show me the concern when the feds seize the assets of someone they accuse of being a terrorist or a drug kingpin. HN suddenly cares about this because of some generalized hatred of Trudeau, but I can't remember a thread generating thousands of comments about companies trying to force employees to accept pay on fee heavy debit cards. The way that discussing a Canadian protest about vaccine mandates has come to take over HN feels bizarre, agenda pushy, and like a bunch of crocodile tears.