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I don't understand. If 20,000 people (made up number) die in a year from human error, and that is worthy of concern, isn't it worse if 20,012 die?

by vba616 5y ago

josephcsible 5y ago
Autopilot can prevent some accidents that would have happened if only a human were in control. It probably prevented more than 12 deaths like that.
- vba616 5y ago
  Still don't understand. If it saved 100 people why is that an argument for killing 12? What's the connection?
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    If it saves 100 but kills 12, that's a net 88 fewer deaths.
    - vba616 5y ago
      What is it specifically, though, that saves 100 by killing 12? If you can justify killing 12 people by putting a bigger hypothetical number next to it, why 100? Why not 100 million? There are certainly more than 100 million people who did not die since Autopilot came out. Neither you or I can prove it didn't save 100 million people. Therefore if it were to kill 12 million people, that's a net 88 million fewer deaths. What is wrong with that logic? I need to be educated on where the linkage between lives cost and lives saved is.
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        > I need to be educated on where the linkage between lives cost and lives saved is. https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-valuation https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life https://www.americanprogress.org/article/putting-a-price-on-human-life-the-costs-and-benefits-of-cost-benefit-analysis/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/putting-a-price-on-... https://www.npr.org/transcripts/835571843 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/835571843 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/upshot/virus-price-human-life.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/upshot/virus-price-human-...
        vba616 5y ago
        That's not what I was asking. The education I need is on how people know that something in Autopilot saves X lives at the cost of Y lives. What, in the physical world, does that? Where does the premise of a tradeoff come from?

I don't understand. If 20,000 people (made up number) die in a year from human error, and that is worthy of concern, isn't it worse if 20,012 die?

by vba616 5y ago

I don't understand. If 20,000 people (made up number) die in a year from human error, and that is worthy of concern, isn't it worse if 20,012 die?

josephcsible 5y ago

Autopilot can prevent some accidents that would have happened if only a human were in control. It probably prevented more than 12 deaths like that.

vba616 5y ago
Still don't understand. If it saved 100 people why is that an argument for killing 12? What's the connection?
- josephcsible 5y ago
  If it saves 100 but kills 12, that's a net 88 fewer deaths.
  - vba616 5y ago
    What is it specifically, though, that saves 100 by killing 12? If you can justify killing 12 people by putting a bigger hypothetical number next to it, why 100? Why not 100 million? There are certainly more than 100 million people who did not die since Autopilot came out. Neither you or I can prove it didn't save 100 million people. Therefore if it were to kill 12 million people, that's a net 88 million fewer deaths. What is wrong with that logic? I need to be educated on where the linkage between lives cost and lives saved is.
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      > I need to be educated on where the linkage between lives cost and lives saved is. https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-valuation https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life https://www.americanprogress.org/article/putting-a-price-on-human-life-the-costs-and-benefits-of-cost-benefit-analysis/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/putting-a-price-on-... https://www.npr.org/transcripts/835571843 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/835571843 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/upshot/virus-price-human-life.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/upshot/virus-price-human-...
      - vba616 5y ago
        That's not what I was asking. The education I need is on how people know that something in Autopilot saves X lives at the cost of Y lives. What, in the physical world, does that? Where does the premise of a tradeoff come from?