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> the Economist seems to hide their agenda I think that they are pretty clear about their agenda to be honest. E.g. they explained and even gave a name to thei

> the Economist seems to hide their agenda I think that they are pretty clear about their agenda to be honest. E.g. they explained and even gave a name to their stance ("extreme centre"), they openly endorse candidates in many elections worldwide, they often include sentences in articles such as "this paper believes that..." etc. I don't agree with some of their points, but by making them explicit they also make them easy to filter out IMHO

thrashh 5y ago
Yeah the Economist is pretty well known to be neoliberal. Which is fine… I subscribe and it’s a pretty good source if you understand that.
- strictlybiznes 5y ago
  Neocon*
  - Clubber 5y ago
    Neoliberalism is not related to liberalism, its economics theory we've been living in since Reagan. Ds and Rs embrace it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism Neoconservatism is more a social theory, i.e. pushback from 60s social liberals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
    - coolso 5y ago
      The Wikipedia article is quite misleading; the current neoliberal movement absolutely leans left. In modern usage, neoliberal refers to a particular type of liberal/Democrat.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  Why are the journalists and writers names not revealed?
  - smcnally 5y ago
    That’s a specific editorial decision[0] to present work in The Economist’s voice rather than the individual journalists’. [0] https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2013/09/04/why-are-the-economists-writers-anonymous https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2013/09/04/...
    - smcnally 5y ago
      ~no regwall https://medium.economist.com/why-are-the-economists-writers-anonymous-8f573745631d https://medium.economist.com/why-are-the-economists-writers-... and previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14015708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14015708
andrepd 5y ago
>They don't hide it. I think that they are pretty clear about their agenda to be honest. E.g. they explained and even gave a name to their stance ("extreme centre") My point exactly, that's anything but clear and honest! Calling their views, which are objectively right-wing neoliberal capitalist, calling them "centre" or "moderate" is part of an attempt to naturalise (if that makes sense) their worldview into something that is objective, common-sense, and neutral.
- chinchilla2020 5y ago
  Is hackernews turning into twitter? This seems like a comment from reddit or twitter.
  - andrepd 5y ago
    Ironically yours is the most unsubstantive in this whole thread.
- mastazi 5y ago
  > right-wing Ask a few self-professed conservatives if they agree with the Economist and see what they say.
- kelp 5y ago
  I don't think there is objective agreement that the Economists views are right-wing neoliberal capitalist. AllSides rates them as "Leans left": https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist They've endorsed Democrats for US President since 2004. Ad Fontes also rates them slightly left leaning: https://adfontesmedia.com/the-economist-bias-and-reliability/ https://adfontesmedia.com/the-economist-bias-and-reliability...
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  - tsimionescu 5y ago
dredmorbius 5y ago
Yes and no. The Economist has a Prospectus which spells out its ideology. I'd known of and read the ... newspaper ... for three decades before learning of this and reading it. PROSPECTUS of a weekly paper, to be published every Saturday, and to be called THE ECONOMIST, which will contain— First.—ORIGINAL LEADING ARTICLES, in which free-trade principles will be most rigidly applied to all the important questions of the day—political events—and parliamentary discussions; and particularly to all such as relate immediately to revenue, commerce, and agriculture; or otherwise affect the material interests of the country. ... https://www.economist.com/unknown/1843/08/05/prospectus https://www.economist.com/unknown/1843/08/05/prospectus That is, The Economist is, and always has been, overtly free-trade propaganda. (Though one might argue that the meaning(s) and connotations of that term have evolved since first proposed in 1843.) HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285722

thrashh 5y ago

Yeah the Economist is pretty well known to be neoliberal. Which is fine… I subscribe and it’s a pretty good source if you understand that.

strictlybiznes 5y ago
Neocon*
- Clubber 5y ago
  Neoliberalism is not related to liberalism, its economics theory we've been living in since Reagan. Ds and Rs embrace it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism Neoconservatism is more a social theory, i.e. pushback from 60s social liberals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
  - coolso 5y ago
    The Wikipedia article is quite misleading; the current neoliberal movement absolutely leans left. In modern usage, neoliberal refers to a particular type of liberal/Democrat.
TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
Why are the journalists and writers names not revealed?
- smcnally 5y ago
  That’s a specific editorial decision[0] to present work in The Economist’s voice rather than the individual journalists’. [0] https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2013/09/04/why-are-the-economists-writers-anonymous https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2013/09/04/...
  - smcnally 5y ago
    ~no regwall https://medium.economist.com/why-are-the-economists-writers-anonymous-8f573745631d https://medium.economist.com/why-are-the-economists-writers-... and previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14015708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14015708

andrepd 5y ago

>They don't hide it. I think that they are pretty clear about their agenda to be honest. E.g. they explained and even gave a name to their stance ("extreme centre") My point exactly, that's anything but clear and honest! Calling their views, which are objectively right-wing neoliberal capitalist, calling them "centre" or "moderate" is part of an attempt to naturalise (if that makes sense) their worldview into something that is objective, common-sense, and neutral.

chinchilla2020 5y ago
Is hackernews turning into twitter? This seems like a comment from reddit or twitter.
- andrepd 5y ago
  Ironically yours is the most unsubstantive in this whole thread.
mastazi 5y ago
> right-wing Ask a few self-professed conservatives if they agree with the Economist and see what they say.
kelp 5y ago
I don't think there is objective agreement that the Economists views are right-wing neoliberal capitalist. AllSides rates them as "Leans left": https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist They've endorsed Democrats for US President since 2004. Ad Fontes also rates them slightly left leaning: https://adfontesmedia.com/the-economist-bias-and-reliability/ https://adfontesmedia.com/the-economist-bias-and-reliability...
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
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- tsimionescu 5y ago

dredmorbius 5y ago

Yes and no. The Economist has a Prospectus which spells out its ideology. I'd known of and read the ... newspaper ... for three decades before learning of this and reading it. PROSPECTUS of a weekly paper, to be published every Saturday, and to be called THE ECONOMIST, which will contain— First.—ORIGINAL LEADING ARTICLES, in which free-trade principles will be most rigidly applied to all the important questions of the day—political events—and parliamentary discussions; and particularly to all such as relate immediately to revenue, commerce, and agriculture; or otherwise affect the material interests of the country. ... https://www.economist.com/unknown/1843/08/05/prospectus https://www.economist.com/unknown/1843/08/05/prospectus That is, The Economist is, and always has been, overtly free-trade propaganda. (Though one might argue that the meaning(s) and connotations of that term have evolved since first proposed in 1843.) HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285722