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Really simply? Because it's worth it. Nobody's "bowing to" Steam, they could sell off their own website for free, if they wanted. But Steam offers enough of a m

Really simply? Because it's worth it. Nobody's "bowing to" Steam, they could sell off their own website for free, if they wanted. But Steam offers enough of a marketplace, enough tooling, and enough promotion that it's worth it to sell there. It's what I want for the Apple App store, too. Don't charge any less, just make it worth it.

awill 5y ago
Exactly. I choose to use Steam because it's good. If you have an iPhone, you don't choose the AppStore. You're stuck with it.
- mLuby 5y ago
  If I want to play a game that's only sold via Steam, I have no choice but to use Steam. It's less bad than the App Store since game devs technically have a choice, but in effect it's often the same.
  - DanHulton 5y ago
    Oh yeah, from the consumer's point of view, fair. I'm talking about why _developers_ choose Steam. Valve makes it worthwhile for developers to fork out that 30%. Consumers, ultimately, have to go where the game is.
  - awill 5y ago
    That's a good point. I guess I do get annoyed when there are epic exclusive games.
BbzzbB 5y ago
My wording was probably dramatic there, it's just I don't think a Microsoft subsidiary would lightly take the decision to forgo 20-30% (TIL it's tiered) of their revenue to a third party when they have capabilities to handle such services internally. Building platforms is kind of Microsoft's business, so to me migrating Bethesda to Steam is their acknowledgment that a competing platform has won that space. Seemingly deservedly so beyond network effects and user lock-in.
- DanHulton 5y ago
  Oh, I don't think they do take it lightly! Building platforms _badly_ is kind of Microsoft's specialty, unfortunately. They have lock-in on the Xbox, but any kind of Steam-esque competitor for the PC has always been a miserable experience that nobody ever wanted to use. That said, I did forget until now that GamePass exists - Microsoft isn't really challenging Steam anymore, they're doing kind of an end-run around them with their games subscription service, and it frankly kinda rocks. But for those who still want to outright purchase games, they still sell on Steam, because, again, Valve have made it worthwhile to pay the 30% to at least get the userbase and marketing bump.

awill 5y ago

Exactly. I choose to use Steam because it's good. If you have an iPhone, you don't choose the AppStore. You're stuck with it.

mLuby 5y ago
If I want to play a game that's only sold via Steam, I have no choice but to use Steam. It's less bad than the App Store since game devs technically have a choice, but in effect it's often the same.
- DanHulton 5y ago
  Oh yeah, from the consumer's point of view, fair. I'm talking about why _developers_ choose Steam. Valve makes it worthwhile for developers to fork out that 30%. Consumers, ultimately, have to go where the game is.
- awill 5y ago
  That's a good point. I guess I do get annoyed when there are epic exclusive games.

BbzzbB 5y ago

My wording was probably dramatic there, it's just I don't think a Microsoft subsidiary would lightly take the decision to forgo 20-30% (TIL it's tiered) of their revenue to a third party when they have capabilities to handle such services internally. Building platforms is kind of Microsoft's business, so to me migrating Bethesda to Steam is their acknowledgment that a competing platform has won that space. Seemingly deservedly so beyond network effects and user lock-in.

DanHulton 5y ago
Oh, I don't think they do take it lightly! Building platforms _badly_ is kind of Microsoft's specialty, unfortunately. They have lock-in on the Xbox, but any kind of Steam-esque competitor for the PC has always been a miserable experience that nobody ever wanted to use. That said, I did forget until now that GamePass exists - Microsoft isn't really challenging Steam anymore, they're doing kind of an end-run around them with their games subscription service, and it frankly kinda rocks. But for those who still want to outright purchase games, they still sell on Steam, because, again, Valve have made it worthwhile to pay the 30% to at least get the userbase and marketing bump.