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This is devastating. God damn covid... we were so damn close to eradicating polio.

by scoofy 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago
> As the case came from Pakistan, it does not affect the continent's wild poliovirus-free status, the World Health Organization (WHO) says. I don't see a COVID angle here. If you want to blame something, you might look at the CIA's fake vaccination program they used to try and find Bin Laden, and the resulting lack of trust in the legitimate programs in Pakistan and Afghanistan. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci...
- wesleywt 5y ago
  Malawi is quite far away from Pakistan.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    There are very few places "quite far away" from anywhere in the days of widespread international jet travel.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      The point being made is that it's unlikely that people in Malawi are making decisions based on the US's efforts in Pakistan.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        The outbreak came from Pakistan.
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- scoofy 5y ago
  >Delays in polio vaccination programs due to COVID-19 in Pakistan: a major threat to Pakistan's long war against polio virus https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7552970/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7552970/ >The sudden onset of COVID-19 adversely impacted GPEI programme implementation across the globe. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8531002/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8531002/
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > It was nearly close to become polio free with only 12 reported cases in 2018 but unfortunately, the number of cases rose to 147 in 2019. Now, imagine the CIA hadn't massively fed into a significant anti-vaccination conspiracy theory prevalent in the area nearly a decade earlier? (That rise, incidentally, probably can't be blamed on COVID.) I don't doubt that COVID impacted programs, but Pakistan could've been done if we hadn't shaken trust in the vaccines.
    - scoofy 5y ago
      Your whataboutism is astounding. I, of course, 100% agree with your anger about the American subversion of the American vaccine programs. There are massive assumptions built into your thesis including, the reported cases reflecting the actual outstanding cases, and the primacy of international politics driving vaccination decisions. Covid has obviously dramatically affected global vaccination priorities.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        > Covid has obviously dramatically affected global vaccination priorities. That might not have mattered in polio’s case if we wiped out polio before 2020. Which was feasible. Making folks think vaccine campaigns are a CIA plot has obvious impact on reaching that goal. The CIA is forbidden from impersonating American journalists because of the potential harm. They should be forbidden from doing fake healthcare campaigns for similar reasons.

This is devastating. God damn covid... we were so damn close to eradicating polio.

by scoofy 5y ago

This is devastating. God damn covid... we were so damn close to eradicating polio.

> As the case came from Pakistan, it does not affect the continent's wild poliovirus-free status, the World Health Organization (WHO) says. I don't see a COVID angle here. If you want to blame something, you might look at the CIA's fake vaccination program they used to try and find Bin Laden, and the resulting lack of trust in the legitimate programs in Pakistan and Afghanistan. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci...

wesleywt 5y ago
Malawi is quite far away from Pakistan.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  There are very few places "quite far away" from anywhere in the days of widespread international jet travel.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    The point being made is that it's unlikely that people in Malawi are making decisions based on the US's efforts in Pakistan.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      The outbreak came from Pakistan.
      - deleted 5y ago
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scoofy 5y ago
>Delays in polio vaccination programs due to COVID-19 in Pakistan: a major threat to Pakistan's long war against polio virus https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7552970/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7552970/ >The sudden onset of COVID-19 adversely impacted GPEI programme implementation across the globe. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8531002/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8531002/
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > It was nearly close to become polio free with only 12 reported cases in 2018 but unfortunately, the number of cases rose to 147 in 2019. Now, imagine the CIA hadn't massively fed into a significant anti-vaccination conspiracy theory prevalent in the area nearly a decade earlier? (That rise, incidentally, probably can't be blamed on COVID.) I don't doubt that COVID impacted programs, but Pakistan could've been done if we hadn't shaken trust in the vaccines.
  - scoofy 5y ago
    Your whataboutism is astounding. I, of course, 100% agree with your anger about the American subversion of the American vaccine programs. There are massive assumptions built into your thesis including, the reported cases reflecting the actual outstanding cases, and the primacy of international politics driving vaccination decisions. Covid has obviously dramatically affected global vaccination priorities.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > Covid has obviously dramatically affected global vaccination priorities. That might not have mattered in polio’s case if we wiped out polio before 2020. Which was feasible. Making folks think vaccine campaigns are a CIA plot has obvious impact on reaching that goal. The CIA is forbidden from impersonating American journalists because of the potential harm. They should be forbidden from doing fake healthcare campaigns for similar reasons.