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The key here is that these people are not engaged in illegal activities or even accused of engaging in illegal activities before their accounts are frozen and b

The key here is that these people are not engaged in illegal activities or even accused of engaging in illegal activities before their accounts are frozen and before they have been given any chance to defend themselves. Rapists and murderers don’t even get treated this badly. They are treating them like terrorists.

mmastrac 5y ago
But they are engaged in illegal activities, which you can find with a cursory Google search. And blocking borders and pipelines can arguably be classified as economic terrorism. They are fully welcome to protest peacefully, on foot, in front of parliament like everyone else.
- gruez 5y ago
  >But they are engaged in illegal activities, which you can find with a cursory Google search. So were rapists and murderers, but even they have a right to a fair trial.
- lupire 5y ago
  That has nothing to do with freezing accounts of donors, or blocking donations.
- xdennis 5y ago
  Donating money is illegal?
  - SECProto 5y ago
    Yes, donating money can be illegal depending on what it is being donated to. Here[1]'s a list of financial transactions that would be tracked in Canada. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Transactions_and_Reports_Analysis_Centre_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Transactions_and_Rep...
SECProto 5y ago
> The key here is that these people are not engaged in illegal activities or even accused of engaging in illegal activities before their accounts are frozen What stood out the most about these protests, vs most other large protests in recent Canadian history, is how many warnings the participants received. They were told time and time and time again by every party involved that their conduct was illegal - from the police as well as from municipal, provincial, and federal level. They were even given a court injunction against certain specific actions (horn honking), which was largely ignored after the first 24 hrs. They were engaged in illegal activities for weeks before this action was taken.
- lupire 5y ago
  That has nothing to do with freezing accounts of donors, or blocking donations.
  - SECProto 5y ago
    > That has nothing to do with freezing accounts of donors, or blocking donations. Yes, it does. The donations were specifically to fund an activity that had been deemed illegal. Similar to the other things tracked by FINTRAC. I have seen only one claim of a donor being targeted, and quite frankly, I didn't trust the source, but it is possible. The RCMP issued a statement [1] yesterday clarifying that the only information they had provided to banks was regarding organizers and trucks blocking the street (both groups were made explicitly aware that their behaviour was illegal and would have consequences). [1] https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en.html https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en...

mmastrac 5y ago

But they are engaged in illegal activities, which you can find with a cursory Google search. And blocking borders and pipelines can arguably be classified as economic terrorism. They are fully welcome to protest peacefully, on foot, in front of parliament like everyone else.

gruez 5y ago
>But they are engaged in illegal activities, which you can find with a cursory Google search. So were rapists and murderers, but even they have a right to a fair trial.
lupire 5y ago
That has nothing to do with freezing accounts of donors, or blocking donations.
xdennis 5y ago
Donating money is illegal?
- SECProto 5y ago
  Yes, donating money can be illegal depending on what it is being donated to. Here[1]'s a list of financial transactions that would be tracked in Canada. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Transactions_and_Reports_Analysis_Centre_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Transactions_and_Rep...

SECProto 5y ago

> The key here is that these people are not engaged in illegal activities or even accused of engaging in illegal activities before their accounts are frozen What stood out the most about these protests, vs most other large protests in recent Canadian history, is how many warnings the participants received. They were told time and time and time again by every party involved that their conduct was illegal - from the police as well as from municipal, provincial, and federal level. They were even given a court injunction against certain specific actions (horn honking), which was largely ignored after the first 24 hrs. They were engaged in illegal activities for weeks before this action was taken.

lupire 5y ago
That has nothing to do with freezing accounts of donors, or blocking donations.
- SECProto 5y ago
  > That has nothing to do with freezing accounts of donors, or blocking donations. Yes, it does. The donations were specifically to fund an activity that had been deemed illegal. Similar to the other things tracked by FINTRAC. I have seen only one claim of a donor being targeted, and quite frankly, I didn't trust the source, but it is possible. The RCMP issued a statement [1] yesterday clarifying that the only information they had provided to banks was regarding organizers and trucks blocking the street (both groups were made explicitly aware that their behaviour was illegal and would have consequences). [1] https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en.html https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en...