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Then why wasn't a treason charge leveled? You are falling for the drama. People decide to protest about removing restrictions and the news tells you everyone

by ipaddr 5y ago

Then why wasn't a treason charge leveled? You are falling for the drama. People decide to protest about removing restrictions and the news tells you everyone is here trying overthrow the government. You now think unarmed people with a hottub, roasting a pig who made a big party in front of parliment were a threat to the Canadian government? Does that make sense?

lovich 5y ago
> Then why wasn't a treason charge leveled? Because it didn’t rise to the level of treason? For the entire rest of your comment I can’t respond until you let me know what was the appropriate response for the government here. So far you’ve implied they should have done nothing, and explicitly threw treason out as another possibility. Is there any step the government could have taken that was appropriate in your view other than do nothing, charge treason, or capitulate entirely to the protestors?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The obvious steps were to send the police in the same manner charging the protestors with the same charges. The joint operation doesn't require the emergency act. The prime minister could have said sorry to everyone he called deplorable. These were the two steps. Now we have this situation
  - lovich 5y ago
    The federal government of Canada did not have the legal authority to command the local police. That would have been illegal and even more authoritarian an act. > The prime minister could have said sorry to everyone he called deplorable. Do you really believe the protestors would go home if they got an apology for their hurt feelings?
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      They still don't. This was an Ottawa police lead operation. The federal government provided resources (officers) as they did before the emergency. If the prime minister didn't paint 40% or more of Canadians a certain way so many people wouldn't have joined.
      - lovich 5y ago
        Well A: I thought we were talking about the EA that got implemented by the federal government and is being used to freeze bank accounts, if you meant the police then take in mind that I was referencing the feds in my responses. B: I thought it was about mask and vaccine mandates at first, and then moved onto dissolving the government, but now it’s because they feel slighted? These may all be reasons that the group has said but that makes them sound a lot more like a disorganized group with constantly moving goal posts that can’t actually be reasoned with
        ipaddr 5y ago
        Original protest was over trucker mandates. Trudeau made his comments and it became about a lot more.
croes 5y ago
Blocking a whole city isn't the same as making a big party. Occupy Wallstreet was treated harder for less. Tough truckers fearing a needle, hard to believe.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The many people protesting were vaxxed and fully vaxxed. Many are concerned their children are being forced. The one thing I don't understand. The people who would die over the right of a women to choose to have a baby are the same ones who want to prevent a women from choosing to get the vax or not. If those people win the vax debate do they lose the abortion debate? The state may have good reasons in an unpopulated country like Canada to want to increase the birthrate.
  - croes 5y ago
    This isn't about children, many countries or a least parts of countries have mandatory vaccinations for children. "Ontario and New Brunswick require immunization for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization, while Manitoba requires a measles vaccination." And you can turn this around, many of those who try to force women fo give birth are against mandatory vaccinations. Guess what has a longer and deeper effects? A 30second jab or raising a child? BTW many of the anti abortion activists don't care about children after they were born. Free education, healthcare, school lunch? Not on their watch.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      Do you think the risk profiles are different or the same because they contain the word vaccine? I can show you the longterm studies of those you mentioned. But the first long term study for these new vaccines are due in 2024. In the end these kids are part of an experiment that we all hope goes well. Most of anti-abortion activists are vaxxed. They are promoting the idea that your body society's choice. Do you stand with that crowd?
- stackedinserter 5y ago
res0nat0r 5y ago
When you're disrupting major cities with your "fun party" it is completely acceptable to assume trying to interrupt peoples daily lives and livelihood is a bad act and it's perfectly acceptable to deal with that.

by ipaddr 5y ago

lovich 5y ago

> Then why wasn't a treason charge leveled? Because it didn’t rise to the level of treason? For the entire rest of your comment I can’t respond until you let me know what was the appropriate response for the government here. So far you’ve implied they should have done nothing, and explicitly threw treason out as another possibility. Is there any step the government could have taken that was appropriate in your view other than do nothing, charge treason, or capitulate entirely to the protestors?

ipaddr 5y ago
The obvious steps were to send the police in the same manner charging the protestors with the same charges. The joint operation doesn't require the emergency act. The prime minister could have said sorry to everyone he called deplorable. These were the two steps. Now we have this situation
- lovich 5y ago
  The federal government of Canada did not have the legal authority to command the local police. That would have been illegal and even more authoritarian an act. > The prime minister could have said sorry to everyone he called deplorable. Do you really believe the protestors would go home if they got an apology for their hurt feelings?
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    They still don't. This was an Ottawa police lead operation. The federal government provided resources (officers) as they did before the emergency. If the prime minister didn't paint 40% or more of Canadians a certain way so many people wouldn't have joined.
    - lovich 5y ago
      Well A: I thought we were talking about the EA that got implemented by the federal government and is being used to freeze bank accounts, if you meant the police then take in mind that I was referencing the feds in my responses. B: I thought it was about mask and vaccine mandates at first, and then moved onto dissolving the government, but now it’s because they feel slighted? These may all be reasons that the group has said but that makes them sound a lot more like a disorganized group with constantly moving goal posts that can’t actually be reasoned with
      - ipaddr 5y ago
        Original protest was over trucker mandates. Trudeau made his comments and it became about a lot more.

croes 5y ago

Blocking a whole city isn't the same as making a big party. Occupy Wallstreet was treated harder for less. Tough truckers fearing a needle, hard to believe.

ipaddr 5y ago
The many people protesting were vaxxed and fully vaxxed. Many are concerned their children are being forced. The one thing I don't understand. The people who would die over the right of a women to choose to have a baby are the same ones who want to prevent a women from choosing to get the vax or not. If those people win the vax debate do they lose the abortion debate? The state may have good reasons in an unpopulated country like Canada to want to increase the birthrate.
- croes 5y ago
  This isn't about children, many countries or a least parts of countries have mandatory vaccinations for children. "Ontario and New Brunswick require immunization for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization, while Manitoba requires a measles vaccination." And you can turn this around, many of those who try to force women fo give birth are against mandatory vaccinations. Guess what has a longer and deeper effects? A 30second jab or raising a child? BTW many of the anti abortion activists don't care about children after they were born. Free education, healthcare, school lunch? Not on their watch.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Do you think the risk profiles are different or the same because they contain the word vaccine? I can show you the longterm studies of those you mentioned. But the first long term study for these new vaccines are due in 2024. In the end these kids are part of an experiment that we all hope goes well. Most of anti-abortion activists are vaxxed. They are promoting the idea that your body society's choice. Do you stand with that crowd?
stackedinserter 5y ago

res0nat0r 5y ago

When you're disrupting major cities with your "fun party" it is completely acceptable to assume trying to interrupt peoples daily lives and livelihood is a bad act and it's perfectly acceptable to deal with that.