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Not the point. All platforms are going to have restrictions. The issue is they all have the exact same anti-conservative bias (or leftist hateful reporting over

by ipspam 5y ago

Not the point. All platforms are going to have restrictions. The issue is they all have the exact same anti-conservative bias (or leftist hateful reporting overrepresentation that makes it easier to just throw up hands and issue bans) Now there will be platforms where conservative speech wont be censored. And worse (lol) is that blue circle people might get tired of the spoonfed stuff and go for a look. There is currently no where for isolated leftists to go to see what the right is about. In the end, the echo chamber dies. But it might be like fiat currency.... It can go a very long time, lifetimes even maybe.

krapp 5y ago
I see plenty of conservative speech on every social media platform I use (Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and HN.) I don't know where people get this idea that all social media platforms globally ban all conservative speech, and that it can only exist on Trump's platform. It's ridiculous, and demonstrably untrue. Trump himself wasn't even banned until he crossed a line that had nothing to do with his conservative beliefs.
- aksss 5y ago
  > ban all conservative speech I don't see absolutes in reality very often either (if ever, if anywhere). That's not the issue - which you may not know if your information sources air gap you from exposure to what gets banned by safely boxing it up as mis/dis/mal-information and move on - "nothing to see here, just fringe lunatics". It's less a "conservative" issue, but can get painted that way because it's circumstantially adjacent at present, but may not be in the future. But more like banning anything opposed to orthodoxy as established/coordinated between government and private institutions. Look at how much speech about COVID was banned that is now reluctantly accepted, and how much is still banned. We all look at this and say disease shouldn't be politicized, but here politics is just a proxy for a core issue of censorship. It's hard to understand how people can call it anything other than censorship as it's mechanically exactly that. See note [1], etc. This classification of mis/dis/mal info also affects political (policy) opinions that are considered "unacceptable", hence the overlap with conservative politics. [1] https://archive.is/PwIQr https://archive.is/PwIQr (https://www.wsj.com/articles/censorship-coordination-deepens-11626474643 https://www.wsj.com/articles/censorship-coordination-deepens...)
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    It's not an intellectually honest argument to try and claim that scientific debate should or could be conducted on public social media, and once you accept the fact that public social media is violently harmful for that kind of discussion, you can see much more readily how non-partisan it is to remove all of it, with a prejudice towards the more proactively dangerous content (e.g. anti-vaxx promotion). Classifying misinformation is not a partisan activity, just because one of the two US political parties engages more freely in lies and deceit. The GOP does not hold a monopoly on conservative views and values, it's just one group of people making collective decisions that are objectively bad for everyone.
TameAntelope 5y ago
Conservative speech didn’t get censored on other platforms… What’ll be funny is when that stark reality hits home, and the only uniquely allowed speech will be actual hate speech, that unambiguously evil stuff that pulls the mask off too far and gets banned for it.
spywaregorilla 5y ago

by ipspam 5y ago

krapp 5y ago

I see plenty of conservative speech on every social media platform I use (Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and HN.) I don't know where people get this idea that all social media platforms globally ban all conservative speech, and that it can only exist on Trump's platform. It's ridiculous, and demonstrably untrue. Trump himself wasn't even banned until he crossed a line that had nothing to do with his conservative beliefs.

aksss 5y ago
> ban all conservative speech I don't see absolutes in reality very often either (if ever, if anywhere). That's not the issue - which you may not know if your information sources air gap you from exposure to what gets banned by safely boxing it up as mis/dis/mal-information and move on - "nothing to see here, just fringe lunatics". It's less a "conservative" issue, but can get painted that way because it's circumstantially adjacent at present, but may not be in the future. But more like banning anything opposed to orthodoxy as established/coordinated between government and private institutions. Look at how much speech about COVID was banned that is now reluctantly accepted, and how much is still banned. We all look at this and say disease shouldn't be politicized, but here politics is just a proxy for a core issue of censorship. It's hard to understand how people can call it anything other than censorship as it's mechanically exactly that. See note [1], etc. This classification of mis/dis/mal info also affects political (policy) opinions that are considered "unacceptable", hence the overlap with conservative politics. [1] https://archive.is/PwIQr https://archive.is/PwIQr (https://www.wsj.com/articles/censorship-coordination-deepens-11626474643 https://www.wsj.com/articles/censorship-coordination-deepens...)
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  It's not an intellectually honest argument to try and claim that scientific debate should or could be conducted on public social media, and once you accept the fact that public social media is violently harmful for that kind of discussion, you can see much more readily how non-partisan it is to remove all of it, with a prejudice towards the more proactively dangerous content (e.g. anti-vaxx promotion). Classifying misinformation is not a partisan activity, just because one of the two US political parties engages more freely in lies and deceit. The GOP does not hold a monopoly on conservative views and values, it's just one group of people making collective decisions that are objectively bad for everyone.

TameAntelope 5y ago

Conservative speech didn’t get censored on other platforms… What’ll be funny is when that stark reality hits home, and the only uniquely allowed speech will be actual hate speech, that unambiguously evil stuff that pulls the mask off too far and gets banned for it.

spywaregorilla 5y ago