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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any references to any specific incidences or examples of a person having their accounts frozen for simply donating to the pr

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any references to any specific incidences or examples of a person having their accounts frozen for simply donating to the protest. Can anyone provide a reliable source of this happening? Since it's the whole point of the alarmism in the article it seems an important thing to establish. This article https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/02/21/convoy-protesters-bank-accounts/ https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/02/21/convoy-protesters-b... isn't quite a debunking but certainly throws some cold water on this claim. Although it's not really explicitly claimed in the article that this is actually happening, just strongly implied. I wonder if that is intentional.

Traster 5y ago
Yeah I think this is the real key, basically the emergency powers are all or nothing. They're designed for an absolute emergency, so it's perfectly reasonable to have the ability to freeze accounts and do all sorts of extreme stuff. It's not like the emergency provisions were designed specifically for this process, they're designed for everything from a natural disaster to a long term pattern of terror attacks or act of war. So the question isn't "Is it reasonable to have the power to do this in this specific case". The question really should be, are the powers actually being exercised in this way. It seems pretty clear that they aren't. So all this outrage about freezing accounts for donating to a political course are outrage over something that doesn't seem to have actually happened.
MaxMoney 5y ago
BoGs83 5y ago
Exactly, the RCMP has not been guiding the banks to freeze the accounts [0]. RCMP and Banks state accounts for donors will not be frozen [1]. At worst RCMP can advise the banks which makes the decision (source from Federal MP) [2]. The government is also working on a plan where you can appeal your account being frozen. [0] https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rcmp-says-it-did-not-provide-names-of-convoy-donors-to-financial-institutions-1.5790096 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rcmp-says-it-did-not-provide... [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-rcmp-banks-and-ottawa-say-convoy-protest-donors-wont-have-accounts/?utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-rcmp-banks-an... [2] https://twitter.com/MarkGerretsen/status/1495381037274251268 https://twitter.com/MarkGerretsen/status/1495381037274251268
- scohesc 5y ago
  So the government rushes really hard to give themselves the power to freeze bank accounts, but they don't include a way to appeal your account being frozen until you're not able to use your funds for who knows how long. What a shame that Canada has come to this.
  - cardy31 5y ago
    You really missed the point. Only a small number of people directly involved with the convoy had this happen to them. Regular donors are fine.

Traster 5y ago

Yeah I think this is the real key, basically the emergency powers are all or nothing. They're designed for an absolute emergency, so it's perfectly reasonable to have the ability to freeze accounts and do all sorts of extreme stuff. It's not like the emergency provisions were designed specifically for this process, they're designed for everything from a natural disaster to a long term pattern of terror attacks or act of war. So the question isn't "Is it reasonable to have the power to do this in this specific case". The question really should be, are the powers actually being exercised in this way. It seems pretty clear that they aren't. So all this outrage about freezing accounts for donating to a political course are outrage over something that doesn't seem to have actually happened.

MaxMoney 5y ago

BoGs83 5y ago

Exactly, the RCMP has not been guiding the banks to freeze the accounts [0]. RCMP and Banks state accounts for donors will not be frozen [1]. At worst RCMP can advise the banks which makes the decision (source from Federal MP) [2]. The government is also working on a plan where you can appeal your account being frozen. [0] https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rcmp-says-it-did-not-provide-names-of-convoy-donors-to-financial-institutions-1.5790096 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rcmp-says-it-did-not-provide... [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-rcmp-banks-and-ottawa-say-convoy-protest-donors-wont-have-accounts/?utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-rcmp-banks-an... [2] https://twitter.com/MarkGerretsen/status/1495381037274251268 https://twitter.com/MarkGerretsen/status/1495381037274251268

scohesc 5y ago
So the government rushes really hard to give themselves the power to freeze bank accounts, but they don't include a way to appeal your account being frozen until you're not able to use your funds for who knows how long. What a shame that Canada has come to this.
- cardy31 5y ago
  You really missed the point. Only a small number of people directly involved with the convoy had this happen to them. Regular donors are fine.