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What amazes me is that you can pass a measure that strips the rights of the citizens with less than a super majority of 2/3 or even 3/4. This is a mockery of de

What amazes me is that you can pass a measure that strips the rights of the citizens with less than a super majority of 2/3 or even 3/4. This is a mockery of democracy.

dmix 5y ago
The NDP (left wing) party ended up supporting the emergencies act in parliament a few days after it was put in place by the Liberals. That provided them with a majority support to get 185-151 so about 55%. The only party against it was Conservatives and I believe Bloc Quebcios.
- christkv 5y ago
  I’m talking about how some simple majority to strip citizens of basic rights it’s not what you expect of a country that pretends to be Democratic state. 50% + 1 vote is not a mandate for anything much less unlawful violations of your citizens human rights.
  - monkeybutton 5y ago
    As an amusing side note, "50% plus 1" is on its own a bit of a loaded phrase in Canada. Some argue that is enough of a majority for an entire province to secede via referendum.
    - christkv 5y ago
      I don't agree with that either. I don't view the tyranny of the simple majority in any favourable light especially now that everything in every country of the west is more and more polarised. In fact I would prefer parliaments to be elected by citizen lottery and do away with all the political class at every level.
Zachery 5y ago
Which rights were stripped of citizens exactly?
- smaryjerry 5y ago
  I’m not sure what rights Canadians have but something sounds wrong when they will freeze your bank account before even telling you what you’ve been accused of, let alone given you a chance to defend yourself.
- srcreigh 5y ago
  Do Canadians have a right to peaceful protest? Any form of protest is illegal on Ottawa right now (except I guess protest by citizens of Ottawa). Imo, the government must provide instructions for how to legally protest in Ottawa. (No I don't support the illegal activities. But the government in stopping illegal activities is also preventing peaceful protests.)
  - rescripting 5y ago
    Yes, we absolutely do. Smaller protests are ongoing right now in Ottawa by the same group(s) that set up at parliament. They're totally legal, because they're not breaking any laws. The big hoopla down on Wellington _was_ breaking _many_ laws. The municipality was unable to disperse it with the resources at hand, and so voila, emergencies act.
    - srcreigh 5y ago
      Thanks. I've been so curious about this - the news gives the opposite impression. I haven't been able to find any news media about ongoing legal protests in Ottawa (ie today/yesterday/Sunday). Do you know of any?
      - rescripting 5y ago
        A smaller demonstration outside the War Museum was ongoing Sunday and Monday [1], I think there were like 3 people left there today. The authorities did not interfere since the protest was peaceful and lawful. Many of the more hardcore members of the convoy have moved just outside of town to Arnprior and a nearby truckstop. [2][3] [1] https://twitter.com/RevengeBunny/status/1495677761578536960 https://twitter.com/RevengeBunny/status/1495677761578536960 [2] https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/1495847634321514498?s=20&t=yWk-fkBVYvW8v4pXZiO2TA https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/1495847634321514498?s=2... [3] https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/1495494545873817610 https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/149549454587381761...

What amazes me is that you can pass a measure that strips the rights of the citizens with less than a super majority of 2/3 or even 3/4. This is a mockery of democracy.

dmix 5y ago

The NDP (left wing) party ended up supporting the emergencies act in parliament a few days after it was put in place by the Liberals. That provided them with a majority support to get 185-151 so about 55%. The only party against it was Conservatives and I believe Bloc Quebcios.

christkv 5y ago
I’m talking about how some simple majority to strip citizens of basic rights it’s not what you expect of a country that pretends to be Democratic state. 50% + 1 vote is not a mandate for anything much less unlawful violations of your citizens human rights.
- monkeybutton 5y ago
  As an amusing side note, "50% plus 1" is on its own a bit of a loaded phrase in Canada. Some argue that is enough of a majority for an entire province to secede via referendum.
  - christkv 5y ago
    I don't agree with that either. I don't view the tyranny of the simple majority in any favourable light especially now that everything in every country of the west is more and more polarised. In fact I would prefer parliaments to be elected by citizen lottery and do away with all the political class at every level.

Zachery 5y ago

Which rights were stripped of citizens exactly?

smaryjerry 5y ago
I’m not sure what rights Canadians have but something sounds wrong when they will freeze your bank account before even telling you what you’ve been accused of, let alone given you a chance to defend yourself.
srcreigh 5y ago
Do Canadians have a right to peaceful protest? Any form of protest is illegal on Ottawa right now (except I guess protest by citizens of Ottawa). Imo, the government must provide instructions for how to legally protest in Ottawa. (No I don't support the illegal activities. But the government in stopping illegal activities is also preventing peaceful protests.)
- rescripting 5y ago
  Yes, we absolutely do. Smaller protests are ongoing right now in Ottawa by the same group(s) that set up at parliament. They're totally legal, because they're not breaking any laws. The big hoopla down on Wellington _was_ breaking _many_ laws. The municipality was unable to disperse it with the resources at hand, and so voila, emergencies act.
  - srcreigh 5y ago
    Thanks. I've been so curious about this - the news gives the opposite impression. I haven't been able to find any news media about ongoing legal protests in Ottawa (ie today/yesterday/Sunday). Do you know of any?
    - rescripting 5y ago
      A smaller demonstration outside the War Museum was ongoing Sunday and Monday [1], I think there were like 3 people left there today. The authorities did not interfere since the protest was peaceful and lawful. Many of the more hardcore members of the convoy have moved just outside of town to Arnprior and a nearby truckstop. [2][3] [1] https://twitter.com/RevengeBunny/status/1495677761578536960 https://twitter.com/RevengeBunny/status/1495677761578536960 [2] https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/1495847634321514498?s=20&t=yWk-fkBVYvW8v4pXZiO2TA https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/1495847634321514498?s=2... [3] https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/1495494545873817610 https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/149549454587381761...