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Few things are as permanent as a temporary government program.

TimTheTinker 5y ago
Or rather, a program that temporarily increases a government's power.
mmastrac 5y ago
This bill has a time limit built in. It is literally temporary powers, especially so in a minority parliamentary government.
- gruez 5y ago
  >This bill has a time limit built in. It is literally temporary powers You could say the same about the PATRIOT act, which has been around for a little under 2 decades.
  - mmastrac 5y ago
    That's an American law, not a Canadian one.
  - yifanl 5y ago
    It's a bit stretching to take precedence from a foreign nation with different politics and different government structure.
    - gruez 5y ago
      it's a representative democracy filled with power-hungry people. the dynamics that would cause "temporary" laws to be renewed infinitely is the same. it's not like it's some quirk/loophole like filibusterers. if anything the more pragmatic (for lack of a better word) approach (as opposed to absolutist in the US) to freedom compared to the US makes it even more likely that authoritarian measures will remain.
  - zeruch 5y ago
    The Patriot Act had a timer built in years, not days. That, coupled with foreign intrigue that kept the velocity of interest ongoing (and endless threats -some valid, some not- from said foreign actors) made extending the PA easier for a mostly neo-conservative foreign policy establishment. It also started expiring (in sections) in 2005, with more and more being sunset through the last 2020 window. I'm not actually sure how many of it's provisions still stand, but they are a much smaller subset than the massive umbrella of powers initially approved in 2001. It's a harder sell with a small group of noisy Peterbilt drivers in a 30 day window.
    - phil21 5y ago
      > I'm not actually sure how many of it's provisions still stand, but they are a much smaller subset than the massive umbrella of powers initially approved in 2001. I'd be curious as to how many of those powers simply got spun out into other covering legislation/banking law. I suspect quite a few. Particularly in the freezing of suspicious funds, AML/KYC, banking secrecy, etc. If anything I think we've ramped up the regulation and lack of due process to 11 more than de-escalated.

Or rather, a program that temporarily increases a government's power.

This bill has a time limit built in. It is literally temporary powers, especially so in a minority parliamentary government.

gruez 5y ago
>This bill has a time limit built in. It is literally temporary powers You could say the same about the PATRIOT act, which has been around for a little under 2 decades.
- mmastrac 5y ago
  That's an American law, not a Canadian one.
- yifanl 5y ago
  It's a bit stretching to take precedence from a foreign nation with different politics and different government structure.
  - gruez 5y ago
    it's a representative democracy filled with power-hungry people. the dynamics that would cause "temporary" laws to be renewed infinitely is the same. it's not like it's some quirk/loophole like filibusterers. if anything the more pragmatic (for lack of a better word) approach (as opposed to absolutist in the US) to freedom compared to the US makes it even more likely that authoritarian measures will remain.
- zeruch 5y ago
  The Patriot Act had a timer built in years, not days. That, coupled with foreign intrigue that kept the velocity of interest ongoing (and endless threats -some valid, some not- from said foreign actors) made extending the PA easier for a mostly neo-conservative foreign policy establishment. It also started expiring (in sections) in 2005, with more and more being sunset through the last 2020 window. I'm not actually sure how many of it's provisions still stand, but they are a much smaller subset than the massive umbrella of powers initially approved in 2001. It's a harder sell with a small group of noisy Peterbilt drivers in a 30 day window.
  - phil21 5y ago
    > I'm not actually sure how many of it's provisions still stand, but they are a much smaller subset than the massive umbrella of powers initially approved in 2001. I'd be curious as to how many of those powers simply got spun out into other covering legislation/banking law. I suspect quite a few. Particularly in the freezing of suspicious funds, AML/KYC, banking secrecy, etc. If anything I think we've ramped up the regulation and lack of due process to 11 more than de-escalated.