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Russia will probably invade the entire country, because...well Ukraine could still join NATO and would likely now have the votes (they just can't be in a state

Russia will probably invade the entire country, because...well Ukraine could still join NATO and would likely now have the votes (they just can't be in a state of war.) Also Putin made pretty clear yesterday he doesn't believe Ukraine can exist without it being Russian.

avgcorrection 5y ago
Invading the entire country would be very costly. Russia has a superior military but Ukraine’s is still very large, and the attacker needs superior numbers to begin with (a general principle). And they would have to deal with a lot more insurgency warfare as they move into the west of the country. I think Russia might possibly have ambitions of conquering the east of the Ukraine up to Dnieper but no further. Which is still a large area, to be sure.
- bcrosby95 5y ago
  > Which is still a large area, to be sure. And includes the capital of Ukraine.
- partiallypro 5y ago
  Russia has a tremendous air advantage if they were to invade, and NATO can't help without sparking a major conflict. The HQ of their Naval Force was already taken with Crimea and the Navy itself is very small; there's also a good bit of Russian apologists in Ukraine especially in the East that would probably make moving close to the Capitol fairly easy. From Belarus it's essentially a straight shot to Kiev. I hope you're right, but Putin seems to have indicated he wants it all. I think it might start in the East but spread.
throw827474737 5y ago
What would they want with the whole country, lol? Believe they would be happy if the EU adopts that economically ruined part any time, without threatening them further by pulling more and more countries .. ah anyway.. So many armchair politicians and strategists with so much far off comments here, it is getting hilarious. And yeah, a lot of pain that will now ensue likely could have been avoided if that NATO thing hadn't started now, or maybe even taken Russia in when they pleaded for it 20 years ago? But yeah, now go on and push them more and more into their corner, where either one of us or them will soon do something really stupid. I know I will be downvoted to oblivion, and Russias move now is very bad, but the hypocracy and the US-pinked armchair geostrategic world view here is really so one sided, cannot believe it.
- partiallypro 5y ago
  Western Ukraine is much more wealthy than the East, and also the Western part can still join NATO...what's not to understand? I'm pretty well versed on Ukraine and have been following this since 2004 with the Orange Revolution. There's nothing to "armchair." Listen to Putin's speech and what he has been saying for the past decade on the matter. He doesn't believe in Ukrainian independence at all. Since the 2014 Revolution (and it occurring during his Sochi Olympics) Putin has plotted his revenge, after he lost control. I don't think that stops with only taking half; I hope it does and Russia is pushed out entirely...just don't see that has Putin's overall plan.

avgcorrection 5y ago

Invading the entire country would be very costly. Russia has a superior military but Ukraine’s is still very large, and the attacker needs superior numbers to begin with (a general principle). And they would have to deal with a lot more insurgency warfare as they move into the west of the country. I think Russia might possibly have ambitions of conquering the east of the Ukraine up to Dnieper but no further. Which is still a large area, to be sure.

bcrosby95 5y ago
> Which is still a large area, to be sure. And includes the capital of Ukraine.
partiallypro 5y ago
Russia has a tremendous air advantage if they were to invade, and NATO can't help without sparking a major conflict. The HQ of their Naval Force was already taken with Crimea and the Navy itself is very small; there's also a good bit of Russian apologists in Ukraine especially in the East that would probably make moving close to the Capitol fairly easy. From Belarus it's essentially a straight shot to Kiev. I hope you're right, but Putin seems to have indicated he wants it all. I think it might start in the East but spread.

throw827474737 5y ago

What would they want with the whole country, lol? Believe they would be happy if the EU adopts that economically ruined part any time, without threatening them further by pulling more and more countries .. ah anyway.. So many armchair politicians and strategists with so much far off comments here, it is getting hilarious. And yeah, a lot of pain that will now ensue likely could have been avoided if that NATO thing hadn't started now, or maybe even taken Russia in when they pleaded for it 20 years ago? But yeah, now go on and push them more and more into their corner, where either one of us or them will soon do something really stupid. I know I will be downvoted to oblivion, and Russias move now is very bad, but the hypocracy and the US-pinked armchair geostrategic world view here is really so one sided, cannot believe it.

partiallypro 5y ago
Western Ukraine is much more wealthy than the East, and also the Western part can still join NATO...what's not to understand? I'm pretty well versed on Ukraine and have been following this since 2004 with the Orange Revolution. There's nothing to "armchair." Listen to Putin's speech and what he has been saying for the past decade on the matter. He doesn't believe in Ukrainian independence at all. Since the 2014 Revolution (and it occurring during his Sochi Olympics) Putin has plotted his revenge, after he lost control. I don't think that stops with only taking half; I hope it does and Russia is pushed out entirely...just don't see that has Putin's overall plan.