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The topic of slavery in the US is something that is not very familiar to me. One characteristic difference seems to be that the structure in Europe was largely

The topic of slavery in the US is something that is not very familiar to me. One characteristic difference seems to be that the structure in Europe was largely that of serfdom. In that respect the massive forced movement that you mention is something that I definitely did not consider. The economic impact of slavery, and in the context of stability, especially that of abolition, is interesting. I should read up on that. I completely agree that the Civil War was a major conflict with a lot casualties and it redefined the society. But around the same time, there were four equally bloody and society defining wars in Europe (one of them resulting in the genocide of more than a million Circassian people, two others to the birth of the German nation state), and many more before and after those. As a matter of fact, Europe continues to suffer from a lot of instability, it seems like another war may break out between Russia and Ukraine any day now. I'd much prefer people made and used nails instead of raised conflicts.

watwut 5y ago
> But around the same time, there were four equally bloody and society defining wars in Europe American history is not just civil war. Texas was annexed 1845 from Mexico and Mexican-American War was 1846-1848. Pretty close to civil war. > (one of them resulting in the genocide of more than a million Circassian people, two others to the birth of the German nation state), and many more before and after those. Indian removal (trail of tears) was around the time of civil war. The expanse was not nearly finished in the run up to it. In fact, expanse was what made it blew in a way, because of the "will the new states be slave states or free states" question. Lincoln himself signed laws that gave away a lot of tribal land. The genocidal acts happened after civil war. Also, when civil war ended, African Americans did engaged in politics and had real successes. In some states they were huge amount of population, over half sometimes. Which led to terrorist campaigns against those active in politics ultimately in loss of civil rights. That is not stability either. This was huge and long inner conflict. American history is different. But there was a lot going on since 1695. Is was a lot more then just civil war. Just like Russian history is a lot more then Communism, despite pretty much everyone ignoring run up to it.

watwut 5y ago

> But around the same time, there were four equally bloody and society defining wars in Europe American history is not just civil war. Texas was annexed 1845 from Mexico and Mexican-American War was 1846-1848. Pretty close to civil war. > (one of them resulting in the genocide of more than a million Circassian people, two others to the birth of the German nation state), and many more before and after those. Indian removal (trail of tears) was around the time of civil war. The expanse was not nearly finished in the run up to it. In fact, expanse was what made it blew in a way, because of the "will the new states be slave states or free states" question. Lincoln himself signed laws that gave away a lot of tribal land. The genocidal acts happened after civil war. Also, when civil war ended, African Americans did engaged in politics and had real successes. In some states they were huge amount of population, over half sometimes. Which led to terrorist campaigns against those active in politics ultimately in loss of civil rights. That is not stability either. This was huge and long inner conflict. American history is different. But there was a lot going on since 1695. Is was a lot more then just civil war. Just like Russian history is a lot more then Communism, despite pretty much everyone ignoring run up to it.