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must we really go through this game where you pretend not to be an extremist and we pretend not to notice you are an extremist? the overwhelming majority of the

by _dain_ 5y ago

must we really go through this game where you pretend not to be an extremist and we pretend not to notice you are an extremist? the overwhelming majority of the world does not subscribe to your views on showing porn to children.

rosndo 5y ago
I see that you can’t actually come up with a reasonable argument to defend your archaic views. Over here in Europe naked asses and even gasp breasts are a fairly common sight at beaches. Normal people don’t object to this. I’s guess that in most of the world it’s still common to beat your wife, despite that I subscribe to the view that people who beat their wives suck.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  another dishonest game where you pretend to not understand context and make someone laboriously explain it to you. there is a difference between advertising pornography and seeing nudity at a beach. by equating nudism with pornography, you're adopting the puritan frame you claim to oppose. that we can make obvious distinctions like this is the sign of a mature and healthy society; collapsing them into one concept is the domain of sex freaks and salafists.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    This was a documentary, not porn. It’s not a dishonest game, you just don’t like your views being questioned. > by equating nudism with pornography What? Being naked at the beach is “nudism” now? You certainly don’t need to go to a nudist beach to see exposed breasts.
    - subjectsigma 5y ago
      It is 100% a dishonest game. You have come across as condescending and extremely pedantic every comment in this thread, focusing on the minute details of the situation and aggressively questioning the beliefs of the OP instead of being useful in any way. Go the comment somewhere else. Or better yet, go outside.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        You have to appreciate the fact that I’ve been replying to commenters like _dain_ who is accusing me of being an “extremist”.
    - impostergc 5y ago
      Not a documentary: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2
      - rosndo 5y ago
        I don’t see the “giant naked ass” described by the OP. That’s a pretty small naked ass without genitalia visible, something you’d see at the beach. You can’t even accuse that of giving a distorted view of how human bodies are supposed to look like.
        leephillips 5y ago
        It’s likely that different beaches have different sized asses. The ones in the U.S. are off the scale.
andybak 5y ago
You've slightly overstated your case. I was on board for someone to counter GPs post but it's not you. 1. A "giant ass" isn't pornographic per se. 2. "Extremist" is a weird way to put it.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  >1. A "giant ass" isn't pornographic per se. I am being charitable and assuming it is indeed a sexualized/objectified/pornographic pic of a giant ass, i.e. that OP isn't being disingenous >2. "Extremist" is a weird way to put it. "showing porn to kids is Good Actually" is an extremist view. if you polled people it would be a fringe opinion, and most would regard it as an abhorrent idea.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > "showing porn to kids is Good Actually" is an extremist view. if you polled people it would be a fringe opinion, and most would regard it as an abhorrent idea. Nobody is arguing this. Why construct strange strawmen? Working this hard to prevent your kids from seeing nudity is weird, end of story.
  - andybak 5y ago
    > sexualized/objectified/pornographic One of those things is not the same as the others.
cweagans 5y ago
Nudity and porn are not the same things.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  the thing is literally called "porn". https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2 and i doubt GGP comment would be opposed to showing actual porn to children either (he is trying to be cutesy and not outright saying it, but it is obvious).
  - cweagans 5y ago
    The cover image itself is not pornographic, IMO. If it were an image of people actually having sex, then yeah let's talk about that. But it's not. It's literally just a naked ass. Gotta be honest, I think you're reading a lot more into that comment than is necessary or warranted. That comment did not advocate for showing pornography to children. It is not "obvious". You made an assumption. I read it as a direct response to 'or another named just "Porn" with a giant naked ass on the poster.' in the OP. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
    - impostergc 5y ago
      What other plausible interpretation could there be?
      - rosndo 5y ago
        The obvious interpretation is “you shouldn’t stress out about your kids seeing asses on TV”. Not “you should show porn to your kids”.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > and i doubt GGP comment would be opposed to showing actual porn to children either It sounds like as if you were trying to accuse me of being some sort of a pedophile, come on. That’s just unnecessary. I wouldn’t be opposed to my children looking up porn on the internet. Why should I be? All you need to do is pull them aside for a conversation and make sure that they understand what they’re looking at. Pushing them to do so would be weird, they’ll find it on their own pretty soon anyway. You should have a normal healthy relationship with your children where you can discuss these things in a constructive manner. Otherwise you might be a bad parent.

by _dain_ 5y ago

rosndo 5y ago

I see that you can’t actually come up with a reasonable argument to defend your archaic views. Over here in Europe naked asses and even gasp breasts are a fairly common sight at beaches. Normal people don’t object to this. I’s guess that in most of the world it’s still common to beat your wife, despite that I subscribe to the view that people who beat their wives suck.

_dain_ 5y ago
another dishonest game where you pretend to not understand context and make someone laboriously explain it to you. there is a difference between advertising pornography and seeing nudity at a beach. by equating nudism with pornography, you're adopting the puritan frame you claim to oppose. that we can make obvious distinctions like this is the sign of a mature and healthy society; collapsing them into one concept is the domain of sex freaks and salafists.
- rosndo 5y ago
  This was a documentary, not porn. It’s not a dishonest game, you just don’t like your views being questioned. > by equating nudism with pornography What? Being naked at the beach is “nudism” now? You certainly don’t need to go to a nudist beach to see exposed breasts.
  - subjectsigma 5y ago
    It is 100% a dishonest game. You have come across as condescending and extremely pedantic every comment in this thread, focusing on the minute details of the situation and aggressively questioning the beliefs of the OP instead of being useful in any way. Go the comment somewhere else. Or better yet, go outside.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      You have to appreciate the fact that I’ve been replying to commenters like _dain_ who is accusing me of being an “extremist”.
  - impostergc 5y ago
    Not a documentary: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2
    - rosndo 5y ago
      I don’t see the “giant naked ass” described by the OP. That’s a pretty small naked ass without genitalia visible, something you’d see at the beach. You can’t even accuse that of giving a distorted view of how human bodies are supposed to look like.
      - leephillips 5y ago
        It’s likely that different beaches have different sized asses. The ones in the U.S. are off the scale.

andybak 5y ago

You've slightly overstated your case. I was on board for someone to counter GPs post but it's not you. 1. A "giant ass" isn't pornographic per se. 2. "Extremist" is a weird way to put it.

_dain_ 5y ago
>1. A "giant ass" isn't pornographic per se. I am being charitable and assuming it is indeed a sexualized/objectified/pornographic pic of a giant ass, i.e. that OP isn't being disingenous >2. "Extremist" is a weird way to put it. "showing porn to kids is Good Actually" is an extremist view. if you polled people it would be a fringe opinion, and most would regard it as an abhorrent idea.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > "showing porn to kids is Good Actually" is an extremist view. if you polled people it would be a fringe opinion, and most would regard it as an abhorrent idea. Nobody is arguing this. Why construct strange strawmen? Working this hard to prevent your kids from seeing nudity is weird, end of story.
- andybak 5y ago
  > sexualized/objectified/pornographic One of those things is not the same as the others.

cweagans 5y ago

Nudity and porn are not the same things.

_dain_ 5y ago
the thing is literally called "porn". https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0261189/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2 and i doubt GGP comment would be opposed to showing actual porn to children either (he is trying to be cutesy and not outright saying it, but it is obvious).
- cweagans 5y ago
  The cover image itself is not pornographic, IMO. If it were an image of people actually having sex, then yeah let's talk about that. But it's not. It's literally just a naked ass. Gotta be honest, I think you're reading a lot more into that comment than is necessary or warranted. That comment did not advocate for showing pornography to children. It is not "obvious". You made an assumption. I read it as a direct response to 'or another named just "Porn" with a giant naked ass on the poster.' in the OP. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
  - impostergc 5y ago
    What other plausible interpretation could there be?
    - rosndo 5y ago
      The obvious interpretation is “you shouldn’t stress out about your kids seeing asses on TV”. Not “you should show porn to your kids”.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > and i doubt GGP comment would be opposed to showing actual porn to children either It sounds like as if you were trying to accuse me of being some sort of a pedophile, come on. That’s just unnecessary. I wouldn’t be opposed to my children looking up porn on the internet. Why should I be? All you need to do is pull them aside for a conversation and make sure that they understand what they’re looking at. Pushing them to do so would be weird, they’ll find it on their own pretty soon anyway. You should have a normal healthy relationship with your children where you can discuss these things in a constructive manner. Otherwise you might be a bad parent.