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Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

by rosndo 5y ago

beeboop 5y ago
The US has caused more death in the past 60 years from military intervention than all other countries combined
- rosndo 5y ago
  Ah, nonsensical whataboutism. How is this relevant to a conversation about Russian actions in Europe? As far as I understand the US still remains on another continent.
  - beeboop 5y ago
    If you ignore American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Hawaii, governments that were destabilized and replaced with US-approved leaders, and US military bases in dozens of other countries - sure, yeah, the US remains in north america. The parent comment has been flagged, but if I recall this conversation about hostility - trying to argue that the US is not hostile and that Russia is somehow unique and uniquely deserving of punishment is ridiculous, which is my point by saying the US has caused millions of deaths in the past 60 years.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      US is not hostile towards Europe. Russia is. Nobody gives a shit about the bad stuff US is doing elsewhere. It is utterly irrelevant to this conversation about European decisionmaking regarding Russia. What you’re getting at is meaningless virtue signaling.
rpadovani 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deploym... They are only 64k+ indeed. But they are already inside EU, since WWII.
- rosndo 5y ago
  And most of those are far far away from the border. You might as well criticize Russia for having troops sitting in military bases near Moscow. But hey, I raise you Kaliningrad.
  - rpadovani 5y ago
    Ah, you were talking about Ukraine specifically, not dislocating your troops in other countries, where the local population doesn't want you, 'cause you have the upper hand. My bad.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      I’d argue that the local populations are largely very happy with US presence in Europe. I know they’re very popular in Romania, being big spenders. Outside of Europe the US has obviously been up to a bunch of nasty shit, but I think we are talking about European decisionmaking here.
      - rpadovani 5y ago
        > I’d argue that the local populations are largely very happy with US presence in Europe. Not in Germany, where they have their biggest presence: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutsche-finden-abzug-der-us-soldaten-ueberwiegend-gut-16889268.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutsche-finden-a... Nor in Italy, where they have the second-biggest presence. But it is easy to understand, considering they kill civilians for fun, but get processed in US[0], and are responsible for countless violences in the cities where their bases are[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash [1]: https://www.vice.com/it/article/znjkke/vicenza-soldati-usa-stupro-391 https://www.vice.com/it/article/znjkke/vicenza-soldati-usa-s...
        rosndo 5y ago
        I’d guess that the dissatisfaction with US troops in Germany goes up based on how far the polled people are from the closest base. It’s easy to be unhappy with some remote evils that aren’t significantly contributing to your local economy.
vadertemp 5y ago
US has not deployed to Ukraine because its not in its national interest whereas Russia does have an immediate security concern with NATO expansion to its borders after the end of the cold war. US has deployments all over the world after WWII in order to bully and protect its own interests. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-military-presence-around-the-world-interactive https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili...
- mechanical_bear 5y ago
  Is there a legitimate concern that NATO would occupy/attack Russian territory?
  - kbart 5y ago
    No. All ex-Soviet countries that joined NATO did that willingly as a way to protect their independence (looking at the examples of ex-Soviet countries that did not, it's clear that was the right decision). The "threat" of NATO invading Russia is bullshit and whataboutism.
    - mechanical_bear 5y ago
      Agreed, whole heartedly.
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  US deployments aren’t generally against the will of host nations. There certainly is plenty of coercion involved in having so many deployments, but plenty of it has to do with strategic alliances.
  - ezconnect 5y ago
    Syria and South American countries have US military by force.
    - 5y ago
blitzar 5y ago
Russia wants war, just look how close they put their country to our military bases. https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/russia-wants-war-look-how-close-they-put-their-country-to-our-military-bases-nato.jpg https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/russia-wants...

Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

by rosndo 5y ago

Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

beeboop 5y ago

The US has caused more death in the past 60 years from military intervention than all other countries combined

rosndo 5y ago
Ah, nonsensical whataboutism. How is this relevant to a conversation about Russian actions in Europe? As far as I understand the US still remains on another continent.
- beeboop 5y ago
  If you ignore American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Hawaii, governments that were destabilized and replaced with US-approved leaders, and US military bases in dozens of other countries - sure, yeah, the US remains in north america. The parent comment has been flagged, but if I recall this conversation about hostility - trying to argue that the US is not hostile and that Russia is somehow unique and uniquely deserving of punishment is ridiculous, which is my point by saying the US has caused millions of deaths in the past 60 years.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    US is not hostile towards Europe. Russia is. Nobody gives a shit about the bad stuff US is doing elsewhere. It is utterly irrelevant to this conversation about European decisionmaking regarding Russia. What you’re getting at is meaningless virtue signaling.

rpadovani 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deploym... They are only 64k+ indeed. But they are already inside EU, since WWII.

rosndo 5y ago
And most of those are far far away from the border. You might as well criticize Russia for having troops sitting in military bases near Moscow. But hey, I raise you Kaliningrad.
- rpadovani 5y ago
  Ah, you were talking about Ukraine specifically, not dislocating your troops in other countries, where the local population doesn't want you, 'cause you have the upper hand. My bad.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    I’d argue that the local populations are largely very happy with US presence in Europe. I know they’re very popular in Romania, being big spenders. Outside of Europe the US has obviously been up to a bunch of nasty shit, but I think we are talking about European decisionmaking here.
    - rpadovani 5y ago
      > I’d argue that the local populations are largely very happy with US presence in Europe. Not in Germany, where they have their biggest presence: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutsche-finden-abzug-der-us-soldaten-ueberwiegend-gut-16889268.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutsche-finden-a... Nor in Italy, where they have the second-biggest presence. But it is easy to understand, considering they kill civilians for fun, but get processed in US[0], and are responsible for countless violences in the cities where their bases are[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash [1]: https://www.vice.com/it/article/znjkke/vicenza-soldati-usa-stupro-391 https://www.vice.com/it/article/znjkke/vicenza-soldati-usa-s...
      - rosndo 5y ago
        I’d guess that the dissatisfaction with US troops in Germany goes up based on how far the polled people are from the closest base. It’s easy to be unhappy with some remote evils that aren’t significantly contributing to your local economy.

vadertemp 5y ago

US has not deployed to Ukraine because its not in its national interest whereas Russia does have an immediate security concern with NATO expansion to its borders after the end of the cold war. US has deployments all over the world after WWII in order to bully and protect its own interests. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-military-presence-around-the-world-interactive https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili...

mechanical_bear 5y ago
Is there a legitimate concern that NATO would occupy/attack Russian territory?
- kbart 5y ago
  No. All ex-Soviet countries that joined NATO did that willingly as a way to protect their independence (looking at the examples of ex-Soviet countries that did not, it's clear that was the right decision). The "threat" of NATO invading Russia is bullshit and whataboutism.
  - mechanical_bear 5y ago
    Agreed, whole heartedly.
wbsss4412 5y ago
US deployments aren’t generally against the will of host nations. There certainly is plenty of coercion involved in having so many deployments, but plenty of it has to do with strategic alliances.
- ezconnect 5y ago
  Syria and South American countries have US military by force.
  - 5y ago

blitzar 5y ago

Russia wants war, just look how close they put their country to our military bases. https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/russia-wants-war-look-how-close-they-put-their-country-to-our-military-bases-nato.jpg https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/russia-wants...