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Which countries? Higher prices for gas will rise prices for everything, food including.

eitland 5y ago
I meant all European democracies I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted. [1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable.
- another_why 5y ago
  I wasn't trying to make it subtle, but it's not a topic of the discussion and talking about it will take too much time. Though in a long enough dispute, it eventually goes to the basics and false beliefs, nothing to undermine there.
- another_why 5y ago
  > I meant all European democracies Russia is also a European democracy. Surprise > I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted. > [1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable. Won't happen during your lifetime.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > Russia is also a European democracy. Muahahahaa! Wow, man, you're funny! > Surprise Yes, indeed: I am surprised anyone with more than a vacuum between their ears could think that.
  - mcv 5y ago
    > Russia is also a European democracy. Surprise Nasty surprises seem to happen to people who credibly oppose Putin. Without free press and free speech, elections don't mean much.
    - another_why 5y ago
      > Nasty surprises seem to happen to people who credibly oppose Putin I believe, they just don't have/don't want to spend money on showing a real election circus, like in US. Russia is a poor country and making people believe that a cross in a white form means something if you are not a billionaire and can't get billionaires to support you with money, costs a lot. You have "free press" and "free speech" in the internet, doesn't seem to help much, does it?
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      - mcv 5y ago
        It's significantly better than not having them. And the argument "we're too poor to be a democracy" is bullshit. The real issue is that the country is too corrupt to be a democracy. (The US also has this problem, but to a much lesser extent. Well, somewhat lesser, at least. Trump has certainly has certainly tried to follow Putin there.) And of course the country is too oppressed to be a democracy. You can't have meaningful elections if you don't have free speech and free press.

I meant all European democracies I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted. [1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable.

another_why 5y ago
I wasn't trying to make it subtle, but it's not a topic of the discussion and talking about it will take too much time. Though in a long enough dispute, it eventually goes to the basics and false beliefs, nothing to undermine there.
another_why 5y ago
> I meant all European democracies Russia is also a European democracy. Surprise > I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted. > [1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable. Won't happen during your lifetime.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Russia is also a European democracy. Muahahahaa! Wow, man, you're funny! > Surprise Yes, indeed: I am surprised anyone with more than a vacuum between their ears could think that.
- mcv 5y ago
  > Russia is also a European democracy. Surprise Nasty surprises seem to happen to people who credibly oppose Putin. Without free press and free speech, elections don't mean much.
  - another_why 5y ago
    > Nasty surprises seem to happen to people who credibly oppose Putin I believe, they just don't have/don't want to spend money on showing a real election circus, like in US. Russia is a poor country and making people believe that a cross in a white form means something if you are not a billionaire and can't get billionaires to support you with money, costs a lot. You have "free press" and "free speech" in the internet, doesn't seem to help much, does it?
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    - mcv 5y ago
      It's significantly better than not having them. And the argument "we're too poor to be a democracy" is bullshit. The real issue is that the country is too corrupt to be a democracy. (The US also has this problem, but to a much lesser extent. Well, somewhat lesser, at least. Trump has certainly has certainly tried to follow Putin there.) And of course the country is too oppressed to be a democracy. You can't have meaningful elections if you don't have free speech and free press.