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Germany doesn't care about Ukraine. They have to look like they do. Once the Ukrainian issue settles down again like it did after 2014 and everyone in the west

Germany doesn't care about Ukraine. They have to look like they do. Once the Ukrainian issue settles down again like it did after 2014 and everyone in the west moves on to other things, Germany will simply push the start button and gas will flow.

_ph_ 5y ago
No, certainly not. First of all, Germany does care about the Ukraine. Both on a political level as on a social one. Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. There is also the European perspective. The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Putin himself stated yesterday, that he considers the Ukraine a part of Russia, so there is concern that he won't stop anytime soon, unless stopped. Ironically, an occupation of the Ukraine makes him what he claimed to try to prevent - a direct neighbor to the NATO states. We can only hope he stops before attacking NATO.
- darebak 5y ago
  >The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Now? What about Kosovo* and to lesser degree other conflicts in ex-Yugoslavia? Germany even had an active role in that.
  - twelve40 5y ago
    hypocricy is unreal Montenegro gets to declare independence, but Republika Srpska doesn't because Serbs don't matter. Kosovo must be recognized as an "independent country" right next to Albania, but Eastern Ukraine never. South Sudan, Eritrea, the list of "approved" places that are permitted independence, goes on and on.
    - darebak 5y ago
      Montenegro is different because everyone involved agreed on the referendum and there was legal basis for independence, even though it only passed by a couple hundred votes and with voter suppression but other than that it's a perfectly valid referendum. Kosovo* is more comparable to Srpska in Bosnia or Krajina in Croatia, or Crimea and Donbass. While Montenegro is more like Scotland situation in the UK.
- sunsetonsaturn 5y ago
  > Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. Not sure that's a good argument. Many in Germany also have friendships with people from Russia. Would that automatically mean that Germany has to support Russia? I doubt it.
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    If Russia were threatened by an aggressive neighbor nation they would have no chance to defend against, I think there would be quite some support from Germany too. But currently Russia is the nation invading Ukraine. (And of course, most Germans distinguish well between the Russian people and their government)
- mechanical_bear 5y ago
  “the Ukraine” It is just Ukraine, no “the” required nor preferred.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    PC linguistic prescriptivism really does get quite tiresome rather quickly. Quite a lot of people have grown up with, and used for decades, the language they learned as children. What's your fucking hurry; can't you be satisfied that their usage will die out with them? Or go campaign for a while for the French to drop the article from "Le Danemark", or something equally useful.

_ph_ 5y ago

No, certainly not. First of all, Germany does care about the Ukraine. Both on a political level as on a social one. Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. There is also the European perspective. The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Putin himself stated yesterday, that he considers the Ukraine a part of Russia, so there is concern that he won't stop anytime soon, unless stopped. Ironically, an occupation of the Ukraine makes him what he claimed to try to prevent - a direct neighbor to the NATO states. We can only hope he stops before attacking NATO.

darebak 5y ago
>The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Now? What about Kosovo* and to lesser degree other conflicts in ex-Yugoslavia? Germany even had an active role in that.
- twelve40 5y ago
  hypocricy is unreal Montenegro gets to declare independence, but Republika Srpska doesn't because Serbs don't matter. Kosovo must be recognized as an "independent country" right next to Albania, but Eastern Ukraine never. South Sudan, Eritrea, the list of "approved" places that are permitted independence, goes on and on.
  - darebak 5y ago
    Montenegro is different because everyone involved agreed on the referendum and there was legal basis for independence, even though it only passed by a couple hundred votes and with voter suppression but other than that it's a perfectly valid referendum. Kosovo* is more comparable to Srpska in Bosnia or Krajina in Croatia, or Crimea and Donbass. While Montenegro is more like Scotland situation in the UK.
sunsetonsaturn 5y ago
> Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. Not sure that's a good argument. Many in Germany also have friendships with people from Russia. Would that automatically mean that Germany has to support Russia? I doubt it.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  If Russia were threatened by an aggressive neighbor nation they would have no chance to defend against, I think there would be quite some support from Germany too. But currently Russia is the nation invading Ukraine. (And of course, most Germans distinguish well between the Russian people and their government)
mechanical_bear 5y ago
“the Ukraine” It is just Ukraine, no “the” required nor preferred.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  PC linguistic prescriptivism really does get quite tiresome rather quickly. Quite a lot of people have grown up with, and used for decades, the language they learned as children. What's your fucking hurry; can't you be satisfied that their usage will die out with them? Or go campaign for a while for the French to drop the article from "Le Danemark", or something equally useful.