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It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral which had been removed from office immediately, as there was a strong disagreement with his statements.

by _ph_ 5y ago

chrisseaton 5y ago
> It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral It he doesn't speak for the Germany navy then who does? Were the navy's intelligence reports wrong or was he briefed wrong or does he not believe his own intelligence people? What if he'd been still been in charge now? Would he still deny it was happening? All possibilities point to something extremely foolish going on. Absolutely bizarre situation. I wonder what he says now.
- Bud 5y ago
  This honestly just isn't that significant. Germany's navy, and indeed, German military forces generally, are not relevant to this crisis and will play basically zero part in it. So all of this analysis and blame-gaming you're trying to do just are not of much import.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    I wonder what contingencies the Germany navy is planned for and capable of handling, if they couldn't even get their heads around this being a possibility?
    - jonathanstrange 5y ago
      The German navy consists of more than one guy (who, by the way, didn't state what you claimed he stated).
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.
        jonathanstrange 5y ago
        He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a big No No in the military.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. Goes to show what he knows. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size has seen this morning's events coming since Crimea at the latest. The only way to avoid it would have been to make Ukraine a full NATO member in 2015, -16. (For a while I held out hope that the West would see this and do it, but... More fool I, for even hoping.) > He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, Well he was sure right there -- it's not "a small piece of Ukrainian territory" Putin is interested in taking -- but that doesn't seem to have been what he meant, so he "was right" in that respect purely by accident. > and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." Yeah, right, kleptocratic tinpot dictators deserve soooo much respect. > He was immediately fired afterwards And rightfully so. Not just for blabbing where he shouldn't, but hopefully mainly because he seems to be an idiot with no fucking clue.
        chrisseaton 5y ago
        > Russia did not have interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory Yet there they are, right now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468237 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468237
        5y ago
    - chess_buster 5y ago
      None whatsoever.
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- nix23 5y ago
  That's not really what he said, the press twisted it a bit: >>“Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukrainian soil, to integrate into their country?” the 56-year-old said. “No. Putin is putting on pressure because he knows he can do it, he splits the European Union.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-chief-quits-after-saying-putin-deserves-respect-over-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-ch... His point was: It's not about the "soil" but to split the eu....see the difference?

It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral which had been removed from office immediately, as there was a strong disagreement with his statements.

by _ph_ 5y ago

It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral which had been removed from office immediately, as there was a strong disagreement with his statements.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral It he doesn't speak for the Germany navy then who does? Were the navy's intelligence reports wrong or was he briefed wrong or does he not believe his own intelligence people? What if he'd been still been in charge now? Would he still deny it was happening? All possibilities point to something extremely foolish going on. Absolutely bizarre situation. I wonder what he says now.

Bud 5y ago
This honestly just isn't that significant. Germany's navy, and indeed, German military forces generally, are not relevant to this crisis and will play basically zero part in it. So all of this analysis and blame-gaming you're trying to do just are not of much import.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  I wonder what contingencies the Germany navy is planned for and capable of handling, if they couldn't even get their heads around this being a possibility?
  - jonathanstrange 5y ago
    The German navy consists of more than one guy (who, by the way, didn't state what you claimed he stated).
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.
      - jonathanstrange 5y ago
        He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a big No No in the military.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. Goes to show what he knows. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size has seen this morning's events coming since Crimea at the latest. The only way to avoid it would have been to make Ukraine a full NATO member in 2015, -16. (For a while I held out hope that the West would see this and do it, but... More fool I, for even hoping.) > He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, Well he was sure right there -- it's not "a small piece of Ukrainian territory" Putin is interested in taking -- but that doesn't seem to have been what he meant, so he "was right" in that respect purely by accident. > and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." Yeah, right, kleptocratic tinpot dictators deserve soooo much respect. > He was immediately fired afterwards And rightfully so. Not just for blabbing where he shouldn't, but hopefully mainly because he seems to be an idiot with no fucking clue.
        chrisseaton 5y ago
        > Russia did not have interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory Yet there they are, right now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468237 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468237
        5y ago
  - chess_buster 5y ago
    None whatsoever.
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nix23 5y ago
That's not really what he said, the press twisted it a bit: >>“Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukrainian soil, to integrate into their country?” the 56-year-old said. “No. Putin is putting on pressure because he knows he can do it, he splits the European Union.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-chief-quits-after-saying-putin-deserves-respect-over-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-ch... His point was: It's not about the "soil" but to split the eu....see the difference?