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My words do. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I prefer many things about Python over Perl not just the syntax. I wasn't claiming that I think others are st

by hartror 15y ago

My words do. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I prefer many things about Python over Perl not just the syntax. I wasn't claiming that I think others are stupid for liking or using it, just my personal preference of what I like in a language. Perhaps I could have worded it a little less flame bait like: Pity I didn't like your idioms and we had to break up as my eyes and heart prefer Python. Any better?

kamaal 15y ago
On the other hand I see a massive drop in Python's popularity these days. Earlier it used to get all the talk. Coffee tables, forum discussions, debates what not. Also few days back, I used to run into people choosing Python as a language for their project all the time. That seems to falling rapidly now. The popularity and fan boy crowd seems to have moved to server side JS these days. We are only days away from how people bash Python for more recent fancier options.
- hartror 15y ago
  It is a well established work horse so it has lost the mystic that attracts discussion and excitement. Never the less for getting shit done Python is a winner for me.
  - draegtun 15y ago
    $ditto_for_me =~ s/Python/Perl/;
berntb 15y ago
>>I prefer many things about Python over Perl I have been doing Python a bit now and am of the opposite opinion. Except for CPAN I miss the advanced stuff like Moose (better OO) and extensible syntax. I might be too new to the language. E.g., I don't really get the list comprehension -- it looks like a kludge around the lack of multi line code blocks, so Python can't have nice a map() syntax. But people seems to love the that syntax, so there should be more to it than a kludge? But sure, Python has a minimal and elegant notation; it just changes a bit too slowly. Also, try posting a flame comment like yours about Python in a Python thread; you'd be at minus ten in five minutes and stupid comebacks would be up voted to orbit. The fanaticism makes RoR kids look mature.
- hartror 15y ago
  List comprehension is one of those things I miss every I use another language. I am not sure what you mean with: it looks like a kludge around the lack of multi line code blocks could you provide and example?
  - berntb 15y ago
    Don't you know what map is? But you claimed to be an old Perl programmer? I wrote "Python can't have nice a map() syntax", because of its lack of code blocks. And that list comprehensions seems like a one-statement kludge of the map functionality. How could I have been clearer? OK... second attempt to explain this point: :-) List comprehension seems to me like a one statement replacement of a map function (and that one-statement often makes you think of Perl golf.) And a third attempt: :-) It seems to me that list comprehension would never have been implemented -- if Python had added (optional) support for ';' (+ '{'/'}') and hence code blocks. That is because Python would then use map() instead of list comprehensions (like all other scripting languages, lisps, etc). (Also, a side effect of optional ';' support would mean that Python wouldn't be worthless garbage as a bash cmd line tool.) But please enlighten me about use cases not done clearer/better with code blocks? I note that you don't argue about the fan bois point... :-)

by hartror 15y ago

kamaal 15y ago

On the other hand I see a massive drop in Python's popularity these days. Earlier it used to get all the talk. Coffee tables, forum discussions, debates what not. Also few days back, I used to run into people choosing Python as a language for their project all the time. That seems to falling rapidly now. The popularity and fan boy crowd seems to have moved to server side JS these days. We are only days away from how people bash Python for more recent fancier options.

hartror 15y ago
It is a well established work horse so it has lost the mystic that attracts discussion and excitement. Never the less for getting shit done Python is a winner for me.
- draegtun 15y ago
  $ditto_for_me =~ s/Python/Perl/;

berntb 15y ago

>>I prefer many things about Python over Perl I have been doing Python a bit now and am of the opposite opinion. Except for CPAN I miss the advanced stuff like Moose (better OO) and extensible syntax. I might be too new to the language. E.g., I don't really get the list comprehension -- it looks like a kludge around the lack of multi line code blocks, so Python can't have nice a map() syntax. But people seems to love the that syntax, so there should be more to it than a kludge? But sure, Python has a minimal and elegant notation; it just changes a bit too slowly. Also, try posting a flame comment like yours about Python in a Python thread; you'd be at minus ten in five minutes and stupid comebacks would be up voted to orbit. The fanaticism makes RoR kids look mature.

hartror 15y ago
List comprehension is one of those things I miss every I use another language. I am not sure what you mean with: it looks like a kludge around the lack of multi line code blocks could you provide and example?
- berntb 15y ago
  Don't you know what map is? But you claimed to be an old Perl programmer? I wrote "Python can't have nice a map() syntax", because of its lack of code blocks. And that list comprehensions seems like a one-statement kludge of the map functionality. How could I have been clearer? OK... second attempt to explain this point: :-) List comprehension seems to me like a one statement replacement of a map function (and that one-statement often makes you think of Perl golf.) And a third attempt: :-) It seems to me that list comprehension would never have been implemented -- if Python had added (optional) support for ';' (+ '{'/'}') and hence code blocks. That is because Python would then use map() instead of list comprehensions (like all other scripting languages, lisps, etc). (Also, a side effect of optional ';' support would mean that Python wouldn't be worthless garbage as a bash cmd line tool.) But please enlighten me about use cases not done clearer/better with code blocks? I note that you don't argue about the fan bois point... :-)