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Good lord, another Flutter ad disguised as an article. Dear Google, we will choose your framework if we want to learn your language before you cancel it and yo

Good lord, another Flutter ad disguised as an article. Dear Google, we will choose your framework if we want to learn your language before you cancel it and your bloated locked in framework that emulates native decently for now and sucks on web. I much prefer React Native and from my perspective it's winning out by far, especially with react-native-web. The entire stack is flexible and extensible.

agilob 5y ago
>Dear Google, we will choose your framework if we want to learn your language before This is why I left dart ecosystem last year, thanks Google. At the beginning or 2020 Googlers promised full support of AngularDart, saying that they have a lot of internal websites developed in it and adwords is in AngularDart, they were fully committed to making it a competitor to angular and typescript. I discussed it on one meetup and met a technical startup founder that decided to go this way, one language for web, android and iOS. A year later AngularDart was soooo outdated that it was impossible to use cross platform. AngularDart team didn't even bother with a proper announcement or giving us notice. They updated wiki on github saying that it won't be supported. I have no trust in Google giving us anything good.
toqy 5y ago
> especially with react-native-web I've seen this but never heard of anyone using it. Do you have any notable examples of serious production apps shipped with this?
- thebosz 5y ago
  The most visible app is probably Twitter[1] [1] https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://necolas.github.io/react-native-web/docs/about-project/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...
- hunterb123 5y ago
  I use it in production for a complex app that has tens of thousands of users hit it a day, and it's used by at least Twitter, Flipkart, Uber, and Major League Soccer. It's a really nice React library, I go to it even for web only apps. The CSS-in-JS engine meets all the expected performance features like atomic css. Do you have any notable examples of a Flutter web app being used in production? I assume not because of accessibility isn't ready, along with the many other issues.
  - toqy 5y ago
    Never used Flutter, no plans to use Flutter, likely would never rely on anything by Google in this space if I could help it. Not sure why you're asking me about it, unless you think my question about this v0 library is somehow a defense of Flutter, which it's not.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      There's no ulterior motive, I asked because we're commenting on an article/ad about Flutter. You posed the question if there were any notable examples of RNW used in production because you haven't seen any. (it's on their home page) I answered who is using it and simply posed the question if there were notable examples of Flutter Web used in production because I haven't. If you knew enough about RNW to look out for sites using it and pose a question about it then I assumed you knew enough about Flutter to do the same?
      - toqy 5y ago
        > If you knew enough about RNW to look out for sites using it and pose a question about it then I assumed you knew enough about Flutter to do the same? That it exists, it's general purpose, and given it's semantic version that it's pre-release software. That's all I know about it. I know a little more about Flutter since it has a marketing budget. It probably wouldn't be wise to rely on either of them outside of hobby projects. Unless of course you are Facebook/Twitter/Google, aka have effectively unlimited budget and employ the people who wrote the stuff to begin with.
        hunterb123 5y ago
        > I know a little more about Flutter That's why I asked. You asked about RNW because you hadn't heard of anyone using it, I asked about Flutter because I haven't used it and don't know anyone who does. > It probably wouldn't be wise to rely on either of them outside of hobby projects. Unless of course you are Facebook/Twitter/Google I rely on RNW and RN everyday for a production app (iOS/Android/Web) with thousands of DAU. I developed and maintain the app solely.

agilob 5y ago

>Dear Google, we will choose your framework if we want to learn your language before This is why I left dart ecosystem last year, thanks Google. At the beginning or 2020 Googlers promised full support of AngularDart, saying that they have a lot of internal websites developed in it and adwords is in AngularDart, they were fully committed to making it a competitor to angular and typescript. I discussed it on one meetup and met a technical startup founder that decided to go this way, one language for web, android and iOS. A year later AngularDart was soooo outdated that it was impossible to use cross platform. AngularDart team didn't even bother with a proper announcement or giving us notice. They updated wiki on github saying that it won't be supported. I have no trust in Google giving us anything good.

toqy 5y ago

> especially with react-native-web I've seen this but never heard of anyone using it. Do you have any notable examples of serious production apps shipped with this?

thebosz 5y ago
The most visible app is probably Twitter[1] [1] https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://necolas.github.io/react-native-web/docs/about-project/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...
hunterb123 5y ago
I use it in production for a complex app that has tens of thousands of users hit it a day, and it's used by at least Twitter, Flipkart, Uber, and Major League Soccer. It's a really nice React library, I go to it even for web only apps. The CSS-in-JS engine meets all the expected performance features like atomic css. Do you have any notable examples of a Flutter web app being used in production? I assume not because of accessibility isn't ready, along with the many other issues.
- toqy 5y ago
  Never used Flutter, no plans to use Flutter, likely would never rely on anything by Google in this space if I could help it. Not sure why you're asking me about it, unless you think my question about this v0 library is somehow a defense of Flutter, which it's not.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    There's no ulterior motive, I asked because we're commenting on an article/ad about Flutter. You posed the question if there were any notable examples of RNW used in production because you haven't seen any. (it's on their home page) I answered who is using it and simply posed the question if there were notable examples of Flutter Web used in production because I haven't. If you knew enough about RNW to look out for sites using it and pose a question about it then I assumed you knew enough about Flutter to do the same?
    - toqy 5y ago
      > If you knew enough about RNW to look out for sites using it and pose a question about it then I assumed you knew enough about Flutter to do the same? That it exists, it's general purpose, and given it's semantic version that it's pre-release software. That's all I know about it. I know a little more about Flutter since it has a marketing budget. It probably wouldn't be wise to rely on either of them outside of hobby projects. Unless of course you are Facebook/Twitter/Google, aka have effectively unlimited budget and employ the people who wrote the stuff to begin with.
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        > I know a little more about Flutter That's why I asked. You asked about RNW because you hadn't heard of anyone using it, I asked about Flutter because I haven't used it and don't know anyone who does. > It probably wouldn't be wise to rely on either of them outside of hobby projects. Unless of course you are Facebook/Twitter/Google I rely on RNW and RN everyday for a production app (iOS/Android/Web) with thousands of DAU. I developed and maintain the app solely.