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The scientists should themselves try wearing a 1-pound weight (proportional to this tracker compared to the magpie's weight) strapped to them 24-7 and unable to
by forgotmypw17 5y ago
The scientists should themselves try wearing a 1-pound weight (proportional to this tracker compared to the magpie's weight) strapped to them 24-7 and unable to take it off before they make any further designs.
I do understand that this is about trying to help the magpies, but it still seems a bit hard-headed, like many other efforts to "help" those whom we're also harming with our activity.
- philliphaydon 5y agoThe device weighs 0.0022 pounds. Humans carry orders of magnitude more weight in fat on their body. I doubt people Would notice 400 grams after 10 minutes.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoWould you notice it if you could never remove it, around the clock, even when sleeping, bathing, having sex, etc.
- philliphaydon 5y agoI have permanent nerve damage in 2 fingers on my left hand which gives permanent pins and needles. You get used to it.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoJust to ensure I'm understanding your analogy correctly, are you saying that because you have gotten used to the nerve damage in your fingers, it is OK to arbitrarily and non-consensually inflict nerve damage on other people, if it is for a good cause?
- philliphaydon 5y ago> it is OK to arbitrarily and non-consensually inflict nerve damage on other people If that's what you got out of this then I feel sorry for you. If you want to get consent from birds and other animals so that we can study their behavior and habbits so we can prevent issues caused by urbanization, deforsting, solar/wind power, etc. By all means go and get consent. In the mean time people will continue to do real work with a minor inconvience to a few animals for the greater good.
- mmastrac 5y agoPutting it that way makes it sound pretty trivial. I don't see a single pound of extra weight being something onerous and I consider myself to be more sentient than these animals.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoDon't forget, you can never remove it. And you have to fly with it, bathe with it, have sex with it, never being able to remove it, with it continuously wrapped around you and rubbing against your body, even when you're tired, even when you're wet.
- hobs 5y agothat would not encumber a human at all nor make a human pick a different outcome - there's a dozen places you could nicely nestle a pound and never realize it. You clothes weigh more than that, your shoes WAY more than that, and we walk around all day with it... this is a weird point.
- kwhitefoot 5y agoI am aware of my shoes and clothes all the time. If someone forced me to wear something unfamiliar, ill fitting, and likely unbalancing, I would be seriously pissed off. It doesn't seem weird to object to it to me at all.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoRemember: You can never take it off, 24 hours a day, even sleeping and in the shower. And it is not necessarily attached where you would choose to attach it.
- reaperducer 5y agoThe scientists should themselves try wearing a 1-pound weight (proportional to this tracker compared to the magpie's weight) strapped to them 24-7 and unable to take it off before they make any further designs. We do this to people all the time. Right now there are hundreds of thousands of people in America who have been charged with a crime, but not yet been tried, and are released to go about their lives with GPS trackers attached to their legs while they await their day in court. It became even more common in the COVID era because the jails had to be thinned out to reduce infection rates.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoThank you for supporting my argument.
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