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> Matthew Walker's book is the one I'd go to. Personal anecdote here. I've read his book. It's good, it's interesting, and it made me realise how much more I s

> Matthew Walker's book is the one I'd go to. Personal anecdote here. I've read his book. It's good, it's interesting, and it made me realise how much more I should try to get more and better sleep. I'm a night person. For months I tried each and every technique out there to move my sleep schedule back since I have to wake up in the morning against my natural rhythm. I started panicking and I went from 4-6h sleep per night + 8-10h on weekends to 2-4h during the week and about 6h on weekends. My whole life took a turn for the worst until I made the decision to stop the madness and go back to my previous, insufficient, sleep schedule. This is not ideal by a long shot. I'm permanently sleep deprived, but at least not to the point where I can't even function.

urthor 5y ago
I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype? Shouldn't you just have a fixed, later bedtime. To maximize REM sleep etc?
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  Yep, that's what I do now. I still need to wake up early (for me) in the morning though. There's no winning.
- Ntrails 5y ago
  > I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype? I still don't buy this as an idea, an unchangeable genetic (?) marker that defines "night person" or "morning person". I think we make choices and habits, and these are really just a part of personality.
  - hderms 5y ago
    I'm almost positive that's bullshit because I spent half of my life as a "night owl", convinced it was just something inherent to me. After my wife took a job that had her waking up at 4am, and the requisite adjustments to her bedtime, I found myself totally fine with going to sleep at 10am or earlier everyday. In a lot of ways an early bedtime, or an average bedtime, is preferable to staying up to the wee hours, but given the context I couldn't see the benefits until I had experienced it myself for a few months. So in my opinion, if there is some kind of genetic marker for chronatype, it's either not very influential, only expressed in a subset of the populace or largely BS.
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  - brimble 5y ago
    I buy that it might be A Thing but have a strong suspicion that 90+% of modern "night people" are just addicted to the 24/7 casino-bright circus that is modern home entertainment and nighttime lighting (as most of us are) and would stop being "night people" if you took that away.

urthor 5y ago

I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype? Shouldn't you just have a fixed, later bedtime. To maximize REM sleep etc?

cassianoleal 5y ago
Yep, that's what I do now. I still need to wake up early (for me) in the morning though. There's no winning.
Ntrails 5y ago
> I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype? I still don't buy this as an idea, an unchangeable genetic (?) marker that defines "night person" or "morning person". I think we make choices and habits, and these are really just a part of personality.
- hderms 5y ago
  I'm almost positive that's bullshit because I spent half of my life as a "night owl", convinced it was just something inherent to me. After my wife took a job that had her waking up at 4am, and the requisite adjustments to her bedtime, I found myself totally fine with going to sleep at 10am or earlier everyday. In a lot of ways an early bedtime, or an average bedtime, is preferable to staying up to the wee hours, but given the context I couldn't see the benefits until I had experienced it myself for a few months. So in my opinion, if there is some kind of genetic marker for chronatype, it's either not very influential, only expressed in a subset of the populace or largely BS.
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- brimble 5y ago
  I buy that it might be A Thing but have a strong suspicion that 90+% of modern "night people" are just addicted to the 24/7 casino-bright circus that is modern home entertainment and nighttime lighting (as most of us are) and would stop being "night people" if you took that away.