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Elon is manipulating markets with his tweets (See the 420 debacle), insulting random people and lying about how advanced FSD is. Please look at all the crazy t

by vecinu 5y ago

Elon is manipulating markets with his tweets (See the 420 debacle), insulting random people and lying about how advanced FSD is. Please look at all the crazy tweets he posted [1] in the last few years, he is a manipulator and a liar. [1] https://elonmusk.today/ https://elonmusk.today/

Negitivefrags 5y ago
I’m not sure I would agree that this is lying or manipulation in the way that you would normally define those things. I do think Elon is a bit of a troll, and also that he is prone to saying things that he thinks are probably true without really verifying them fully. I think that he says things on social media with approximately the same level of internal surety that you might apply to talking to a friend in a casual situation. You might be quite willing to say to a friend “we are going to finish the X project in 6 months” without really calculating the odds of that actually happening, and without your friend calling you a liar in 6 months when that doesn’t happen. Now you can argue that he should apply a larger degree of rigor when positing on social media because he is a famous person running a big company, and maybe so. But he might also argue that why should he be held to a higher standard on Twitter than any random joe posting garbage to thier feed for friends to read?
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  > why should he be held to a higher standard on Twitter than any random joe posting garbage to thier feed for friends to read? Because he is an influential spokesman for one of the highest valued stock market traded companies in the world, and a throwaway comment can cost billions. I mean sure, if you're cynical enough you can pooh-pooh it as monopoly money for the 0.01%, but this same monopoly money fuckery caused the 2008 financial crisis. If he 'accidentally' crashes Tesla, that's hundreds of billions disappearing into thin air. Monopoly money, sure, but it'll drag down a lot of others - including things like pension funds.
  - pksebben 5y ago
    Musk's financial trolling harms the same people who caused the 2008 crisis. Securitized mortgage debt and a desire to have what is essentially roulette-at-scale be predictable both come out of the same greedy hubris - that you should be able to move beans and become extraordinarily wealthy for it.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Consider, for example, Musk's personal attacks on people like Elizabeth Warren. IIRC, Jobs did nothing like it. Jobs also didn't compare the Canadian Prime Minister to Hitler, and much of the other endless attention-grabbing, disruptive behavior of Musk.
stickfigure 5y ago
Who cares? Why do you take anything posted to twitter seriously? "Evil genius dominates world economy through twitter messages" is just not a thing. Musk is relevant because of Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, and possibly a few other companies in the works. Maybe he gets some credit for PayPal too. Any one of those things would be sufficient to make his twitter personality a minor footnote in history.

by vecinu 5y ago

Negitivefrags 5y ago

I’m not sure I would agree that this is lying or manipulation in the way that you would normally define those things. I do think Elon is a bit of a troll, and also that he is prone to saying things that he thinks are probably true without really verifying them fully. I think that he says things on social media with approximately the same level of internal surety that you might apply to talking to a friend in a casual situation. You might be quite willing to say to a friend “we are going to finish the X project in 6 months” without really calculating the odds of that actually happening, and without your friend calling you a liar in 6 months when that doesn’t happen. Now you can argue that he should apply a larger degree of rigor when positing on social media because he is a famous person running a big company, and maybe so. But he might also argue that why should he be held to a higher standard on Twitter than any random joe posting garbage to thier feed for friends to read?

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
> why should he be held to a higher standard on Twitter than any random joe posting garbage to thier feed for friends to read? Because he is an influential spokesman for one of the highest valued stock market traded companies in the world, and a throwaway comment can cost billions. I mean sure, if you're cynical enough you can pooh-pooh it as monopoly money for the 0.01%, but this same monopoly money fuckery caused the 2008 financial crisis. If he 'accidentally' crashes Tesla, that's hundreds of billions disappearing into thin air. Monopoly money, sure, but it'll drag down a lot of others - including things like pension funds.
- pksebben 5y ago
  Musk's financial trolling harms the same people who caused the 2008 crisis. Securitized mortgage debt and a desire to have what is essentially roulette-at-scale be predictable both come out of the same greedy hubris - that you should be able to move beans and become extraordinarily wealthy for it.
wolverine876 5y ago
Consider, for example, Musk's personal attacks on people like Elizabeth Warren. IIRC, Jobs did nothing like it. Jobs also didn't compare the Canadian Prime Minister to Hitler, and much of the other endless attention-grabbing, disruptive behavior of Musk.

stickfigure 5y ago

Who cares? Why do you take anything posted to twitter seriously? "Evil genius dominates world economy through twitter messages" is just not a thing. Musk is relevant because of Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, and possibly a few other companies in the works. Maybe he gets some credit for PayPal too. Any one of those things would be sufficient to make his twitter personality a minor footnote in history.