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> For example, they take screenshots of what you watch on your Samsung Televisions This really doesn’t bother me at all.

charcircuit 5y ago
Me either. I have 0 problem with letting a machine seeing that data. Even if a human actually saw it I'm not sure if I would be bothered. Edit: From the links you sent it doesn't explicitly say it sends screenshots. It sounds more like the ACR is run on device and then the result of that is sent to Samsung.
- l33t2328 5y ago
  This sentiment tends to really ruffle feathers around here and I don’t understand why.
  - egeozcan 5y ago
    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument#Criti...
    - l33t2328 5y ago
      Yep, what about it?
    - mardifoufs 5y ago
      They are not saying they are okay with it because they have nothing to hide; they are just saying that they don't mind. It just doesn't bother them. And they also aren't arguing that it shouldn't bother you if you don't watch anything wrong or that every TV should spy on their owner.
      - egeozcan 5y ago
        Saying "I'm not bothered by it" is a statement that suggests you should not be bothered by it too. - I'm angry because people let their dogs poop on my garden - People let their dogs poop on my garden too and I'm not bothered by it!
egeozcan 5y ago
Don't you want to protect the people who are bothered by it? Do we only fight against illegal stuff when it bothers us?
- l33t2328 5y ago
  When did I say anything about (not) protecting people? Who’s talking about illegal stuff?
  - egeozcan 5y ago
    What they are doing is illegal in many parts of the world, even when it's on the ToS. They also deploy dark patterns to work around laws that protect users. When you write "this doesn't bother me" when people complain, what should they think?
esalman 5y ago
Someone making money off your data does not bother you? I mean you could sell it yourself, why let Samsung do it?
- SargeZT 5y ago
  If you could point me in the direction of where I can sell my TV screenshots I would be much obliged.
- ComradePhil 5y ago
  "Selling your data" is marketing nonsense created for disinformation. Companies like Facebook, Google or even Samsung don't sell data. They collect data and get advertisers to pay them to target ads on their behalf. The user data never leaves their system (unless hacked, but that's a different topic). No, it doesn't bother me that they show me ads about products I'm actually interested in based on what they know about me. Not only it means that I don't get bothered with things I would most likely not be interested in, it also means that advertising costs go down significantly allowing the market to produce very niche products which would otherwise not be viable. Targeted ads is the best thing that has happened to the economy in the last decades.
  - fphhotchips 5y ago
    This isn't true. Facebook/Google may not be selling your data, but companies like them absolutely are. Data aggregators exist, and they're all about buying your data, creating data products from them and then selling them on to marketing organisations.
    - ComradePhil 5y ago
      Whichever companies are selling data, they are not like Facebook or Google then. I'd say that they're completely different if they literally collect data and sell copies to third parties. This would be illegal in some parts of the world but sure, maybe some do it. What I'm saying is that Facebook, Google and Samsung companies are not in the business of selling data like the common disinformation messaging would have you believe.
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charcircuit 5y ago

Me either. I have 0 problem with letting a machine seeing that data. Even if a human actually saw it I'm not sure if I would be bothered. Edit: From the links you sent it doesn't explicitly say it sends screenshots. It sounds more like the ACR is run on device and then the result of that is sent to Samsung.

l33t2328 5y ago
This sentiment tends to really ruffle feathers around here and I don’t understand why.
- egeozcan 5y ago
  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument#Criti...
  - l33t2328 5y ago
    Yep, what about it?
  - mardifoufs 5y ago
    They are not saying they are okay with it because they have nothing to hide; they are just saying that they don't mind. It just doesn't bother them. And they also aren't arguing that it shouldn't bother you if you don't watch anything wrong or that every TV should spy on their owner.
    - egeozcan 5y ago
      Saying "I'm not bothered by it" is a statement that suggests you should not be bothered by it too. - I'm angry because people let their dogs poop on my garden - People let their dogs poop on my garden too and I'm not bothered by it!

egeozcan 5y ago

Don't you want to protect the people who are bothered by it? Do we only fight against illegal stuff when it bothers us?

l33t2328 5y ago
When did I say anything about (not) protecting people? Who’s talking about illegal stuff?
- egeozcan 5y ago
  What they are doing is illegal in many parts of the world, even when it's on the ToS. They also deploy dark patterns to work around laws that protect users. When you write "this doesn't bother me" when people complain, what should they think?

esalman 5y ago

Someone making money off your data does not bother you? I mean you could sell it yourself, why let Samsung do it?

SargeZT 5y ago
If you could point me in the direction of where I can sell my TV screenshots I would be much obliged.
ComradePhil 5y ago
"Selling your data" is marketing nonsense created for disinformation. Companies like Facebook, Google or even Samsung don't sell data. They collect data and get advertisers to pay them to target ads on their behalf. The user data never leaves their system (unless hacked, but that's a different topic). No, it doesn't bother me that they show me ads about products I'm actually interested in based on what they know about me. Not only it means that I don't get bothered with things I would most likely not be interested in, it also means that advertising costs go down significantly allowing the market to produce very niche products which would otherwise not be viable. Targeted ads is the best thing that has happened to the economy in the last decades.
- fphhotchips 5y ago
  This isn't true. Facebook/Google may not be selling your data, but companies like them absolutely are. Data aggregators exist, and they're all about buying your data, creating data products from them and then selling them on to marketing organisations.
  - ComradePhil 5y ago
    Whichever companies are selling data, they are not like Facebook or Google then. I'd say that they're completely different if they literally collect data and sell copies to third parties. This would be illegal in some parts of the world but sure, maybe some do it. What I'm saying is that Facebook, Google and Samsung companies are not in the business of selling data like the common disinformation messaging would have you believe.

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