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It's almost viable as a standalone static backend-less webapp. But even PWAs lack the ability to talk to other endpoints & sites. Reserved for *native" apps, fo

It's almost viable as a standalone static backend-less webapp. But even PWAs lack the ability to talk to other endpoints & sites. Reserved for *native" apps, for now. :(

aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
What are you referring to, with this? PWA is one of my pet topics, and I am not aware of any such limiting factors, and I'd like to be.
- rektide 5y ago
  In this case Wallabag appears to use a lot of PHP, so porting it to be a self-contained standalone static page is going to be a bit tricky. But assuming porting the codebase weren't so hard, the real issue is that the web platform- even for PWAs- is cruel & iron-hearted about who can talk to who. Applications are still the only free & open communicators on the planet, and that's just fucked, so blasted wrong. CORS is probably going to block most basic interactions. Wallabag is a basic simple application, something that conceptually could easily run as a standalone static web page. But if that page tries to go fetch("https://www.washingtonpost.com https://www.washingtonpost.com") it'll probably immediately hit some CORS restrictions & die. The web got deeply mishandled when we decided it was unsafe to let sites access each other. There's been a deep freak out, an anti-connectedness that's been ruling us for the past ~2 decades, and few forces have moved the needle the other way. We're all afraid of ads & tracking, the security atmosphere is tight & hot, but it's also isolating & destroying the idea of the web, a cross-connected medium. PWAs have gotten all manner of new great APIs & access, but they still have ridiculously brutal & harsh connectivity constraints that have only gotten higher harsher more brutal year after year. (WebRTC aside, There's not been a single year where the web has gotten better able to interconnect, better able to communicate. The cruelty & hostility barometer has gone up and up and up. People misuse the web for bad, so we'll make the web worse, ad infinitum.
southerntofu 5y ago
Why would you want a webapp without a backend? The web was explicitly conceived for "user agents" to interact with "servers" and the web ecosystem has very little benefits (and many downsides) outside of this use-case. If you're looking for cross-platform UI toolkits, you could take a look at Qt (for example) which easily produces static backendless (non-web)apps.

It's almost viable as a standalone static backend-less webapp. But even PWAs lack the ability to talk to other endpoints & sites. Reserved for *native" apps, for now. :(

aaaaaaaaata 5y ago

What are you referring to, with this? PWA is one of my pet topics, and I am not aware of any such limiting factors, and I'd like to be.

rektide 5y ago
In this case Wallabag appears to use a lot of PHP, so porting it to be a self-contained standalone static page is going to be a bit tricky. But assuming porting the codebase weren't so hard, the real issue is that the web platform- even for PWAs- is cruel & iron-hearted about who can talk to who. Applications are still the only free & open communicators on the planet, and that's just fucked, so blasted wrong. CORS is probably going to block most basic interactions. Wallabag is a basic simple application, something that conceptually could easily run as a standalone static web page. But if that page tries to go fetch("https://www.washingtonpost.com https://www.washingtonpost.com") it'll probably immediately hit some CORS restrictions & die. The web got deeply mishandled when we decided it was unsafe to let sites access each other. There's been a deep freak out, an anti-connectedness that's been ruling us for the past ~2 decades, and few forces have moved the needle the other way. We're all afraid of ads & tracking, the security atmosphere is tight & hot, but it's also isolating & destroying the idea of the web, a cross-connected medium. PWAs have gotten all manner of new great APIs & access, but they still have ridiculously brutal & harsh connectivity constraints that have only gotten higher harsher more brutal year after year. (WebRTC aside, There's not been a single year where the web has gotten better able to interconnect, better able to communicate. The cruelty & hostility barometer has gone up and up and up. People misuse the web for bad, so we'll make the web worse, ad infinitum.

southerntofu 5y ago

Why would you want a webapp without a backend? The web was explicitly conceived for "user agents" to interact with "servers" and the web ecosystem has very little benefits (and many downsides) outside of this use-case. If you're looking for cross-platform UI toolkits, you could take a look at Qt (for example) which easily produces static backendless (non-web)apps.