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> the last non-Chrome browser Safari is still huge.

donatj 5y ago
Chrome was based on WebKit, Safaris codebase. They’re still very close cousins despite Chrome hard forking to Blink about 8 years ago. WebKit it’s was a fork of KHTML
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  The common part is WebKit - you can say they're both WebKit, but not that they're both Chrome.
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ayushnix 5y ago
inside its walled garden.
- bee_rider 5y ago
  Its walled garden is huge.
  - f1refly 5y ago
    A prison might be a sizeable piece of land, but it's still a prison. I'd like to go to the lake in the summer, even if it might be more dangerous than a paddling pool.
  - vanderZwan 5y ago
    Thanks, that's great for us people outside of the walled garden and completely not missing the point in a thread about having browser choice
    - bee_rider 5y ago
      I don't think it is obvious that this thread is about browser choice. The subject looks to be the absence of competition to Chrome. Lack of personal choice is one reason to be concerned there, but another reason might be handing Google de-facto control over standards.
      - vanderZwan 5y ago
        I fail to see how one could possibly think these things are not fundamentally intertwined arguments, so I really don't understand what you are trying to prove here. My previous point was that a walled garden being "huge" offers no benefit for the vast majority of people outside of the walled garden. How does this not apply to these arguments according to you? Because if they do, and I claim they do, then that reinforces my other statement that talking about walled gardens being huge is completely missing the point.
        bee_rider 5y ago
        That's OK, clearly neither of us is gaining anything from this interaction, so I think I'll just drop it.
      - ayushnix 5y ago
        > The subject looks to be the absence of competition to Chrome The presence of a proprietary web browser that only works on a specific platform restricted to a certain class of individuals which can afford to be on that platform doesn't really add much to the competition. > another reason might be handing Google de-facto control over standards I don't see Apple having that control to be any better although from what I've been reading about web browser engines and the underlying technology, I doubt anyone else, besides a few behemoth tech companies, can take any sort of control. The web is too far gone for that.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    So is the Chinese market but that doesn't help someone in England locked out.
pimterry 5y ago
Out of curiosity, I went to check the current numbers: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share Overall, yes it is still a major player (20%) but notably almost all of that is on mobile where it's 27% of users worldwide (presumably in large part because of the iOS browser ban). On desktop meanwhile, Safari is now below 10%, slowly but steadily declining, and it looks like to be overtaken by both Edge and Firefox within the next year or two. Bad news for Safari, but honestly surprisingly good news for Firefox. Edge's success is promising for the web too imo, if it gives Google less influence over Chromium.
tablespoon 5y ago
>> the last non-Chrome browser > Safari is still huge. Sorry, I meant to say WebKit-based.

Chrome was based on WebKit, Safaris codebase. They’re still very close cousins despite Chrome hard forking to Blink about 8 years ago. WebKit it’s was a fork of KHTML

chrisseaton 5y ago
The common part is WebKit - you can say they're both WebKit, but not that they're both Chrome.
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ayushnix 5y ago

inside its walled garden.

bee_rider 5y ago
Its walled garden is huge.
- f1refly 5y ago
  A prison might be a sizeable piece of land, but it's still a prison. I'd like to go to the lake in the summer, even if it might be more dangerous than a paddling pool.
- vanderZwan 5y ago
  Thanks, that's great for us people outside of the walled garden and completely not missing the point in a thread about having browser choice
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    I don't think it is obvious that this thread is about browser choice. The subject looks to be the absence of competition to Chrome. Lack of personal choice is one reason to be concerned there, but another reason might be handing Google de-facto control over standards.
    - vanderZwan 5y ago
      I fail to see how one could possibly think these things are not fundamentally intertwined arguments, so I really don't understand what you are trying to prove here. My previous point was that a walled garden being "huge" offers no benefit for the vast majority of people outside of the walled garden. How does this not apply to these arguments according to you? Because if they do, and I claim they do, then that reinforces my other statement that talking about walled gardens being huge is completely missing the point.
      - bee_rider 5y ago
        That's OK, clearly neither of us is gaining anything from this interaction, so I think I'll just drop it.
    - ayushnix 5y ago
      > The subject looks to be the absence of competition to Chrome The presence of a proprietary web browser that only works on a specific platform restricted to a certain class of individuals which can afford to be on that platform doesn't really add much to the competition. > another reason might be handing Google de-facto control over standards I don't see Apple having that control to be any better although from what I've been reading about web browser engines and the underlying technology, I doubt anyone else, besides a few behemoth tech companies, can take any sort of control. The web is too far gone for that.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  So is the Chinese market but that doesn't help someone in England locked out.

pimterry 5y ago

Out of curiosity, I went to check the current numbers: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share Overall, yes it is still a major player (20%) but notably almost all of that is on mobile where it's 27% of users worldwide (presumably in large part because of the iOS browser ban). On desktop meanwhile, Safari is now below 10%, slowly but steadily declining, and it looks like to be overtaken by both Edge and Firefox within the next year or two. Bad news for Safari, but honestly surprisingly good news for Firefox. Edge's success is promising for the web too imo, if it gives Google less influence over Chromium.

tablespoon 5y ago

>> the last non-Chrome browser > Safari is still huge. Sorry, I meant to say WebKit-based.