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> I think it was a very bad idea. Worse still is their attitude that if some website becomes unusable, "just file a bug".) Mozilla is run by one of the most in
by tablespoon 5y ago
> I think it was a very bad idea. Worse still is their attitude that if some website becomes unusable, "just file a bug".)
Mozilla is run by one of the most inept group of designers, who seem committed to killing off the last non-Chrome browser.
You know what feature they need to remove? Telemetry.
Their telemetry must show that practically zero of their users actually use the collected telemetry, and Mozilla itself can't seem to avoid using the "data" to make bad decisions.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> the last non-Chrome browser Safari is still huge.
- donatj 5y agoChrome was based on WebKit, Safaris codebase. They’re still very close cousins despite Chrome hard forking to Blink about 8 years ago. WebKit it’s was a fork of KHTML
- chrisseaton 5y agoThe common part is WebKit - you can say they're both WebKit, but not that they're both Chrome.
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- ayushnix 5y agoinside its walled garden.
- bee_rider 5y agoIts walled garden is huge.
- f1refly 5y agoA prison might be a sizeable piece of land, but it's still a prison. I'd like to go to the lake in the summer, even if it might be more dangerous than a paddling pool.
- vanderZwan 5y agoThanks, that's great for us people outside of the walled garden and completely not missing the point in a thread about having browser choice
- bee_rider 5y agoI don't think it is obvious that this thread is about browser choice. The subject looks to be the absence of competition to Chrome. Lack of personal choice is one reason to be concerned there, but another reason might be handing Google de-facto control over standards.
- vanderZwan 5y agoI fail to see how one could possibly think these things are not fundamentally intertwined arguments, so I really don't understand what you are trying to prove here. My previous point was that a walled garden being "huge" offers no benefit for the vast majority of people outside of the walled garden. How does this not apply to these arguments according to you? Because if they do, and I claim they do, then that reinforces my other statement that talking about walled gardens being huge is completely missing the point.
- bee_rider 5y agoThat's OK, clearly neither of us is gaining anything from this interaction, so I think I'll just drop it.
- ayushnix 5y ago> The subject looks to be the absence of competition to Chrome The presence of a proprietary web browser that only works on a specific platform restricted to a certain class of individuals which can afford to be on that platform doesn't really add much to the competition. > another reason might be handing Google de-facto control over standards I don't see Apple having that control to be any better although from what I've been reading about web browser engines and the underlying technology, I doubt anyone else, besides a few behemoth tech companies, can take any sort of control. The web is too far gone for that.
- pimterry 5y agoOut of curiosity, I went to check the current numbers: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share Overall, yes it is still a major player (20%) but notably almost all of that is on mobile where it's 27% of users worldwide (presumably in large part because of the iOS browser ban). On desktop meanwhile, Safari is now below 10%, slowly but steadily declining, and it looks like to be overtaken by both Edge and Firefox within the next year or two. Bad news for Safari, but honestly surprisingly good news for Firefox. Edge's success is promising for the web too imo, if it gives Google less influence over Chromium.
- tablespoon 5y ago>> the last non-Chrome browser > Safari is still huge. Sorry, I meant to say WebKit-based.
- fouc 5y agoIt's hard not to wonder if the people running Mozilla are being "influenced" to kill the company.
- InitialLastName 5y agoI doubt the goal is to kill them. They would be very inexpensive as controlled opposition for a rival-browser-making company that wanted to plausibly avoid regulatory notice.
- specialist 5y agoWell intentioned allies are far more dangerous than any enemy, overt or covert.
- bombcar 5y agoAnd lo, finally the day came when the telemetry server sat silent, for no users were using any features, and the Mozilla experiment came to an end.