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Read the epilogue. During the Crimean annexation there was a lot of issues. [1] Leading to the ultimate cutoff from Russian gas in November 2015. Ukraine now b

Read the epilogue. During the Crimean annexation there was a lot of issues. [1] Leading to the ultimate cutoff from Russian gas in November 2015. Ukraine now buys all gas as reverse flow from European Union states, while still of course having Russia pay transit fees for gas destined to Europe going through the country. [2] Therefore everyone except Russia is happy, they lost the political tool of the gas supply in Ukraine. That is why Kyiv is not shut off today. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes#Dispute_of_2013%E2%80%932014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dis... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes#November_2015_gas_supplies_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dis...

twelve40 5y ago
> Ukraine now buys all <Russian> gas as reverse flow from European Union states Ok let me get this straight. Russia has been supplying up to 39% of all of Europe's natgas nonstop since 1973, throughout the Cold War, collapse of the USSR, 2014, and including the current everyday Ukrainian gas, which is also being supplied by Russia without fail (then reversed from Europe, to avoid outright theft), but somehow it's a very dangerous weapon. Ok.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  Russia needs that European money too. It's 35% of their GDP and selling to Europe is more lucrative than selling to allies. They currently have record gas prices, so it doesn't look like they mind selling gas. They sell gas to theirb close allies at ( almost) cost to reduce unrest. Peak of the conflict was obviously not in 2015... There are multiple reasons why he didn't do it sooner. Here's one: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-exchange-reserves#:~:text=Foreign%20Exchange%20Reserves%20in%20Russia%20averaged%20285055.20%20USD%20Million%20from,Million%20in%20December%20of%201992 https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-exchange-reserve....
  - andreskytt 5y ago
    Oh, but they do! The gas reserves have never been lower on the European side of the pipelines. That makes no financial sense at this time of high prices.
- andreskytt 5y ago
  Yes. It’s a deterrent and a financial tool. “I supply you now, but what if I cut it off?” Also, gas means legitimate money moving in Europe to buy people with, look at the history of French or German politicians working for Russian gas interests. “Don’t do anything stupid and there’s a cozy consultancy position open for you at Gazprom”.
  - twelve40 5y ago
    That argument applies to almost all trade in the world. China exports $452B worth of goods into the US, we should eliminate all this trade since it's a deterrent, otherwise we live every day under the threat of them cutting off the (clearly non-trivial and essential) exports at the most inopportune moment.
    - soco 5y ago
      Oh but there were and are talks about exactly this Chinese point (also remember this guy Trump?). So we can keep our Russian worries as well.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Not to mention chip factories.

twelve40 5y ago

> Ukraine now buys all <Russian> gas as reverse flow from European Union states Ok let me get this straight. Russia has been supplying up to 39% of all of Europe's natgas nonstop since 1973, throughout the Cold War, collapse of the USSR, 2014, and including the current everyday Ukrainian gas, which is also being supplied by Russia without fail (then reversed from Europe, to avoid outright theft), but somehow it's a very dangerous weapon. Ok.

NicoJuicy 5y ago
Russia needs that European money too. It's 35% of their GDP and selling to Europe is more lucrative than selling to allies. They currently have record gas prices, so it doesn't look like they mind selling gas. They sell gas to theirb close allies at ( almost) cost to reduce unrest. Peak of the conflict was obviously not in 2015... There are multiple reasons why he didn't do it sooner. Here's one: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-exchange-reserves#:~:text=Foreign%20Exchange%20Reserves%20in%20Russia%20averaged%20285055.20%20USD%20Million%20from,Million%20in%20December%20of%201992 https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-exchange-reserve....
- andreskytt 5y ago
  Oh, but they do! The gas reserves have never been lower on the European side of the pipelines. That makes no financial sense at this time of high prices.
andreskytt 5y ago
Yes. It’s a deterrent and a financial tool. “I supply you now, but what if I cut it off?” Also, gas means legitimate money moving in Europe to buy people with, look at the history of French or German politicians working for Russian gas interests. “Don’t do anything stupid and there’s a cozy consultancy position open for you at Gazprom”.
- twelve40 5y ago
  That argument applies to almost all trade in the world. China exports $452B worth of goods into the US, we should eliminate all this trade since it's a deterrent, otherwise we live every day under the threat of them cutting off the (clearly non-trivial and essential) exports at the most inopportune moment.
  - soco 5y ago
    Oh but there were and are talks about exactly this Chinese point (also remember this guy Trump?). So we can keep our Russian worries as well.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Not to mention chip factories.