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Only men allowed, is that a product of the colonial culture that created it, by chance, or a later added rule? It's interesting to note all the impacts of colon

Only men allowed, is that a product of the colonial culture that created it, by chance, or a later added rule? It's interesting to note all the impacts of colonial rule by Muslim Arabs over Spain. I've always wondered how much of Spanish colonialism is an emulation of their colonization by Arab Muslims.

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otikik 5y ago
The article says "they are all men", not that only men are allowed. Perhaps they are. However, look closely top-right corner of that the picture. You may see a group of 4 women standing very close to one of the judges; 2 of them are almost on top of him. If you think these women will keep their mouths shut if they hear something they don't like, you don't know Spanish body language well enough :). The city I was raised at used to be a big Muslim city. When they dig the foundations for new buildings, they often get disrupted by muslim ruins, which might need to be protected/removed carefully. And if they dig deeper (say, for a subterranean parking) they may find ancient Roman ruins. In the western world ancient Rome tends to be put in a good light; as "the civilisation" against "the barbarians". However, ancient Romans were very ardent and violent colonizers ("colonia" is after all a Roman word). They took slaves, and women could not vote or hold political office. They stayed in the Iberian peninsula for 700 years. The Arab muslims that followed them were only faster on their initial conquest: In around 3 years, they had full control of everything. They lasted 800 years, until the Emirate of Granada, their last bastion, was conquered. But by that point they had been in decline for 4 centuries, gradually being conquered by the Christians or being consumed by inner-fighting. While I am sure there was some influence (there are still lots Arab words in modern Spanish, after all) after 4 centuries of almost continuous but gradual conquer, I doubt the conquistadors were "emulating" the Arabs. I think they were "used to a life of war and conquer", by that point. So they just kept going. If they were able to "emulate" the Arabian conquests they would be emulating people from 400 years prior, and at that point they might as well be emulating the ancient Romans.
zxspectrum1982 5y ago
Women are allowed there, they have always been. For centuries. My great-grandmother was part of that, a long time ago, when her husband was sick. My grandmother was there when my grandfather was hiding from the leftists that wanted to murder him because of his right-wing ideology. Women have always farmed here. Always. Fishing in l'Albufera (the "lake" outside Valencia) was limited to men for a long time but there's a reason for that. Same reason may other jobs and activities have been mean-only in many parts of the world, forever. Survival of the species. Men are expendable. Women are not. Without children, civilizations perish. Women can have babies, men cannot. In order to protect them from danger, women have traditionally taken the most dangerous and exhausting jobs. Plain and simple. Go check all that heteropatriachate and woke arguments with that lens, you'll see how the actual reason of most of the men-only stuff is protection of women, which made a lot of sense until relatively recently because a sick or hurt woman was a dead woman because medicine was primitive. And this is and has been true for all of the world, even today in many regions in Africa, Asia and South America.

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otikik 5y ago

The article says "they are all men", not that only men are allowed. Perhaps they are. However, look closely top-right corner of that the picture. You may see a group of 4 women standing very close to one of the judges; 2 of them are almost on top of him. If you think these women will keep their mouths shut if they hear something they don't like, you don't know Spanish body language well enough :). The city I was raised at used to be a big Muslim city. When they dig the foundations for new buildings, they often get disrupted by muslim ruins, which might need to be protected/removed carefully. And if they dig deeper (say, for a subterranean parking) they may find ancient Roman ruins. In the western world ancient Rome tends to be put in a good light; as "the civilisation" against "the barbarians". However, ancient Romans were very ardent and violent colonizers ("colonia" is after all a Roman word). They took slaves, and women could not vote or hold political office. They stayed in the Iberian peninsula for 700 years. The Arab muslims that followed them were only faster on their initial conquest: In around 3 years, they had full control of everything. They lasted 800 years, until the Emirate of Granada, their last bastion, was conquered. But by that point they had been in decline for 4 centuries, gradually being conquered by the Christians or being consumed by inner-fighting. While I am sure there was some influence (there are still lots Arab words in modern Spanish, after all) after 4 centuries of almost continuous but gradual conquer, I doubt the conquistadors were "emulating" the Arabs. I think they were "used to a life of war and conquer", by that point. So they just kept going. If they were able to "emulate" the Arabian conquests they would be emulating people from 400 years prior, and at that point they might as well be emulating the ancient Romans.

zxspectrum1982 5y ago

Women are allowed there, they have always been. For centuries. My great-grandmother was part of that, a long time ago, when her husband was sick. My grandmother was there when my grandfather was hiding from the leftists that wanted to murder him because of his right-wing ideology. Women have always farmed here. Always. Fishing in l'Albufera (the "lake" outside Valencia) was limited to men for a long time but there's a reason for that. Same reason may other jobs and activities have been mean-only in many parts of the world, forever. Survival of the species. Men are expendable. Women are not. Without children, civilizations perish. Women can have babies, men cannot. In order to protect them from danger, women have traditionally taken the most dangerous and exhausting jobs. Plain and simple. Go check all that heteropatriachate and woke arguments with that lens, you'll see how the actual reason of most of the men-only stuff is protection of women, which made a lot of sense until relatively recently because a sick or hurt woman was a dead woman because medicine was primitive. And this is and has been true for all of the world, even today in many regions in Africa, Asia and South America.