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Is Firefox OK?

18 points by freediver 5y ago

0xy 5y ago
Firefox's decline won't be stopped while the current CEO is in power and milking as much cash through pay rises despite atrocious performance as she can before everything collapses. She has literally no interest in saving Firefox, and that's shown clearly in her vision, execution and operations.
Karunamon 5y ago
I've gone from being sad about Firefox, to disillusioned, to actively hostile. As in, their incompetence is a greater threat to the "open web" than a Blink mono-culture in that it's sucking the oxygen out of the room (in terms of dev time and mindshare) that would be better spent elsewhere.
jerojero 5y ago
I dont know why but unlike chromium we have very little "Firefox alternatives". I always thought of Firefox as more developer friendly but lately there is very little difference between chromes and Firefox devtools, instead it seems like Firefox keeps trying to appeal to the general audience... But all the general audience cares about is what it knows. And they know chrome because when you go into Google it tells you to install chrome, a "faster" browser. Not to mention that a lot of websites that rely on JavaScript dont work as well in Firefox like they do on chrome, it is the reason why I have both installed. Anyway, it seems like a lost battle. But I'm sure google will keep them going because otherwise they become a monopoly in the sector.
- freediver 5y ago
  It could be a misconception. https://twitter.com/vladquant/status/1492181669788356611 https://twitter.com/vladquant/status/1492181669788356611 Market share is not balanced, yes, but browser diversity is not a problem.
  - zamadatix 5y ago
    Quantity is not the same as diversity.
  - rossy 5y ago
    macOS and Linux have some WebKit-based browsers, but there are none on Windows. It's all Chromium. (Please prove me wrong! I'd love a WebKit-based browser to test webpages in Windows. I'm currently using Playwright's WebKit build for this.)
    - freediver 5y ago
      Interesting! Can you post its Speedometer 2.0 score compared to Chrome/Firefox?
    - password4321 5y ago
      Not really polished for real use: https://build.webkit.org/#/builders/67 https://build.webkit.org/#/builders/67 Most recent build #9606: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/archives.webkit.org/win-x86_64-release/290273.zip https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/archives.webkit.org/win-x... Depends on Apple Application Support (7-zip the iTunes installer to extract & install just AppleApplicationSupport.msi https://www.apple.com/itunes/download/win64 https://www.apple.com/itunes/download/win64.)
zamadatix 5y ago
Dupe from 5 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099
richij 5y ago
dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099

18 points by freediver 5y ago

0xy 5y ago

Firefox's decline won't be stopped while the current CEO is in power and milking as much cash through pay rises despite atrocious performance as she can before everything collapses. She has literally no interest in saving Firefox, and that's shown clearly in her vision, execution and operations.

Karunamon 5y ago

I've gone from being sad about Firefox, to disillusioned, to actively hostile. As in, their incompetence is a greater threat to the "open web" than a Blink mono-culture in that it's sucking the oxygen out of the room (in terms of dev time and mindshare) that would be better spent elsewhere.

jerojero 5y ago

I dont know why but unlike chromium we have very little "Firefox alternatives". I always thought of Firefox as more developer friendly but lately there is very little difference between chromes and Firefox devtools, instead it seems like Firefox keeps trying to appeal to the general audience... But all the general audience cares about is what it knows. And they know chrome because when you go into Google it tells you to install chrome, a "faster" browser. Not to mention that a lot of websites that rely on JavaScript dont work as well in Firefox like they do on chrome, it is the reason why I have both installed. Anyway, it seems like a lost battle. But I'm sure google will keep them going because otherwise they become a monopoly in the sector.

freediver 5y ago
It could be a misconception. https://twitter.com/vladquant/status/1492181669788356611 https://twitter.com/vladquant/status/1492181669788356611 Market share is not balanced, yes, but browser diversity is not a problem.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  Quantity is not the same as diversity.
- rossy 5y ago
  macOS and Linux have some WebKit-based browsers, but there are none on Windows. It's all Chromium. (Please prove me wrong! I'd love a WebKit-based browser to test webpages in Windows. I'm currently using Playwright's WebKit build for this.)
  - freediver 5y ago
    Interesting! Can you post its Speedometer 2.0 score compared to Chrome/Firefox?
  - password4321 5y ago
    Not really polished for real use: https://build.webkit.org/#/builders/67 https://build.webkit.org/#/builders/67 Most recent build #9606: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/archives.webkit.org/win-x86_64-release/290273.zip https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/archives.webkit.org/win-x... Depends on Apple Application Support (7-zip the iTunes installer to extract & install just AppleApplicationSupport.msi https://www.apple.com/itunes/download/win64 https://www.apple.com/itunes/download/win64.)

zamadatix 5y ago

Dupe from 5 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099

richij 5y ago

dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30360099