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> Wow that's a really interesting fact about North Korea that has absolutely and unequivocally nothing to do with Canada. Except it's all the same everywhere.

> Wow that's a really interesting fact about North Korea that has absolutely and unequivocally nothing to do with Canada. Except it's all the same everywhere. Maybe you habe never been out of your well so you don't know. Just so you know, free speech is protected right as per the North Korean constitution... except in practice, it's just like Canada. > Consider than rather than being silenced, people may just not agree with these fringe positions? What fringe position? That vaccines without long term data and questionable efficacy against the prevalent variant should not be mandated? Which other country has mandated it?

arcticbull 5y ago
> Except it's all the same everywhere. Maybe you habe never been out of your well so you don't know. Just so you know, free speech is protected right as per the North Korean constitution... except in practice, it's just like Canada. I grew up all over the world, including having lived in the US, Canada, KSA, and plenty of other places. I've also traveled to 50 countries or so. I strongly suspect I have seen more of the world than you have. I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. > What fringe position? That vaccines without long term data and questionable efficacy against the prevalent variant should not be mandated? Which other country has mandated it? Yes this is a fringe position that the science does not support. It is clear that the hospitalization and death rates are orders of magnitude higher in the unvaccinated, and at the moment, I support policies which keep ICUs and hospital resources at or below capacity. Your positions are not in keeping with that. I support mandatory vaccination campaigns until removing all restrictions would keep hospitals from being flooded, then lifting all restrictions.
- bb88 5y ago
  > I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. Also real democracies have real elections and real candidates and peaceful changes of power between politicians. The DPRK, Russia, PRC, Venezuela all claim to be democracies -- but really they use assassination and imprisonment to quash dissent. If the truckers wanted to protest with signs and march up and down sidewalks, or strike against carrying transport, those are all legal things they can do. But they can't block commerce...
  - ComradePhil 5y ago
    >Also real democracies have real elections and real candidates and peaceful changes of power between politicians. I completely agree. And fake ones have faux elections with controlled oppositions where voting doesn't matter... like in the U.S. or Canada.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      How familiar are you with Canada, Comrade Phil? We enjoy a vibrant, multi-party parliamentary democracy with all sorts of different opinions represented. We have five major parties, not two. An even an up-and-coming nutbag 6th.
      - ComradePhil 5y ago
        That's like saying Firefox is a competitor to Chrome... while Google pays Mozzila millions to keep it alive. Just so you know, North Korea has 4 political parties, China has 8, Russia has dozens. In faux democracies, small parties are paid for by the very same people who keep the big ones alive. Controlled opposition is very handy. People in power don't want to lose it just because half of the peasants don't like a face in an election.
        arcticbull 5y ago
        It sounds like you know an awful lot about NK and the PRC and very little about Canada. I do wish you well, but your argument, to my point, is a highly fringe view.
- ComradePhil 5y ago
  >I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. If you think that they are even a tiny bit different, you are brainwashed into thinking that. There is no other explanation. >Yes this is a fringe position that the science does not support. "Science" supports whatever most scientists are paid to support. Lots of scientists supported the use of tobacco for a very long time.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, the financial incentive is the opposite of what you state. The public health systems would be incentivized to discover that this is in fact a "sham" and stop administering the vaccines to better allocate their budgets. All this has been incredibly expensive. However, they have found the opposite of your claims - all over the world - in billions of instances. Consider in the areas of Canada with the lowest vaccination rates and with the lowest compliance (Alberta, I'm looking at you) ICUs are full, and they're having to send patients to high-vaccination/high-compliance provinces like Ontario. Once again burdening those who comply with the selfish, capricious actions of those who do not. [1] These are fringe views that most Canadians simply do not subscribe to. I know it's tough to hear. For those of us living in reality, though, these actions are unpleasant but necessary. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-alberta-deena-hinshaw-verna-yiu-1.6178262 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-alberta-deena-...
    - ComradePhil 5y ago
      > You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, Good point... except that the policy makers aren't paying out of their pocket. It's public money either way. They'll take whatever option helps them in the short run because if they don't, someone else is willing to take that money and bring them down in the next faux election. You might want to look up what people who are actually putting money in it think. Hint: "pfizer stock price".
      - 5y ago

arcticbull 5y ago

> Except it's all the same everywhere. Maybe you habe never been out of your well so you don't know. Just so you know, free speech is protected right as per the North Korean constitution... except in practice, it's just like Canada. I grew up all over the world, including having lived in the US, Canada, KSA, and plenty of other places. I've also traveled to 50 countries or so. I strongly suspect I have seen more of the world than you have. I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. > What fringe position? That vaccines without long term data and questionable efficacy against the prevalent variant should not be mandated? Which other country has mandated it? Yes this is a fringe position that the science does not support. It is clear that the hospitalization and death rates are orders of magnitude higher in the unvaccinated, and at the moment, I support policies which keep ICUs and hospital resources at or below capacity. Your positions are not in keeping with that. I support mandatory vaccination campaigns until removing all restrictions would keep hospitals from being flooded, then lifting all restrictions.

bb88 5y ago
> I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. Also real democracies have real elections and real candidates and peaceful changes of power between politicians. The DPRK, Russia, PRC, Venezuela all claim to be democracies -- but really they use assassination and imprisonment to quash dissent. If the truckers wanted to protest with signs and march up and down sidewalks, or strike against carrying transport, those are all legal things they can do. But they can't block commerce...
- ComradePhil 5y ago
  >Also real democracies have real elections and real candidates and peaceful changes of power between politicians. I completely agree. And fake ones have faux elections with controlled oppositions where voting doesn't matter... like in the U.S. or Canada.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    How familiar are you with Canada, Comrade Phil? We enjoy a vibrant, multi-party parliamentary democracy with all sorts of different opinions represented. We have five major parties, not two. An even an up-and-coming nutbag 6th.
    - ComradePhil 5y ago
      That's like saying Firefox is a competitor to Chrome... while Google pays Mozzila millions to keep it alive. Just so you know, North Korea has 4 political parties, China has 8, Russia has dozens. In faux democracies, small parties are paid for by the very same people who keep the big ones alive. Controlled opposition is very handy. People in power don't want to lose it just because half of the peasants don't like a face in an election.
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        It sounds like you know an awful lot about NK and the PRC and very little about Canada. I do wish you well, but your argument, to my point, is a highly fringe view.
ComradePhil 5y ago
>I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. If you think that they are even a tiny bit different, you are brainwashed into thinking that. There is no other explanation. >Yes this is a fringe position that the science does not support. "Science" supports whatever most scientists are paid to support. Lots of scientists supported the use of tobacco for a very long time.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, the financial incentive is the opposite of what you state. The public health systems would be incentivized to discover that this is in fact a "sham" and stop administering the vaccines to better allocate their budgets. All this has been incredibly expensive. However, they have found the opposite of your claims - all over the world - in billions of instances. Consider in the areas of Canada with the lowest vaccination rates and with the lowest compliance (Alberta, I'm looking at you) ICUs are full, and they're having to send patients to high-vaccination/high-compliance provinces like Ontario. Once again burdening those who comply with the selfish, capricious actions of those who do not. [1] These are fringe views that most Canadians simply do not subscribe to. I know it's tough to hear. For those of us living in reality, though, these actions are unpleasant but necessary. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-alberta-deena-hinshaw-verna-yiu-1.6178262 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-alberta-deena-...
  - ComradePhil 5y ago
    > You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, Good point... except that the policy makers aren't paying out of their pocket. It's public money either way. They'll take whatever option helps them in the short run because if they don't, someone else is willing to take that money and bring them down in the next faux election. You might want to look up what people who are actually putting money in it think. Hint: "pfizer stock price".
    - 5y ago