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Sorry if I missed it, but we're there any criminal charges filed? Or was all of this legal?

rwmj 5y ago
The UK police have essentially given up on fraud[1]. The amount of fraud and scams going on here at the moment is incredible. It would be expensive and difficult for the individual contractors to sue him, I expect most of them have "moved on". [1] https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/feb/20/online-victim-blaming-and-the-emotional-price-of-falling-for-a-scam https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/feb/20/online-victim-... quote: Fraud now makes up 42% of all crime and only one in 700 fraud cases resulted in a conviction in 2019.
- well_i_guess 5y ago
  Is this the effect that we’re better aware of fraud and the like or is it that society is increasingly failing to prosecute crime? I feel as though we’re in a strange spiral where criminality is increasingly forgiven even in cases it shouldn’t be due to the ineptitude of government. I’ve talked to many, many people who are of the view that society is no longer just, not because of undue prosecution, but because of no prosecution. I’ll admit, I was swayed by the arguments of certain protests a couple years ago, but it seems like a deeper law/order reaction is brewing after the downstream effects of the policies and attitudes have come into play.
  - rwmj 5y ago
    There's no mystery about it, the UK government has aggressively cut funding to the police and criminal justice system. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/criminal-justice-system_0.pdf https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/file...
  - TomSwirly 5y ago
    > is it that society is increasingly failing to prosecute crime? Depends on the society. The US has an awful lot of people in jail. However, society in general is fairly universally failing to prosecute certain classes of crime - ones where rich people steal from poor people. It is the unevenness of prosecution that enrages people. A rich kid can rape an unconscious woman and leave her in a dumpster, and get no jail time, whereas someone can go to jail for five years for voting as a felon, not deliberately simply because she didn't know that the US disenfranchises criminals for life in many states.
- lazide 5y ago
  Yikes. Seems like an environment that would just encourage more fraud too - what other recourse do the victims have except social media outage, but then that outs them as dumb enough to fall for it. Most won’t.

rwmj 5y ago

The UK police have essentially given up on fraud[1]. The amount of fraud and scams going on here at the moment is incredible. It would be expensive and difficult for the individual contractors to sue him, I expect most of them have "moved on". [1] https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/feb/20/online-victim-blaming-and-the-emotional-price-of-falling-for-a-scam https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/feb/20/online-victim-... quote: Fraud now makes up 42% of all crime and only one in 700 fraud cases resulted in a conviction in 2019.

well_i_guess 5y ago
Is this the effect that we’re better aware of fraud and the like or is it that society is increasingly failing to prosecute crime? I feel as though we’re in a strange spiral where criminality is increasingly forgiven even in cases it shouldn’t be due to the ineptitude of government. I’ve talked to many, many people who are of the view that society is no longer just, not because of undue prosecution, but because of no prosecution. I’ll admit, I was swayed by the arguments of certain protests a couple years ago, but it seems like a deeper law/order reaction is brewing after the downstream effects of the policies and attitudes have come into play.
- rwmj 5y ago
  There's no mystery about it, the UK government has aggressively cut funding to the police and criminal justice system. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/criminal-justice-system_0.pdf https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/file...
- TomSwirly 5y ago
  > is it that society is increasingly failing to prosecute crime? Depends on the society. The US has an awful lot of people in jail. However, society in general is fairly universally failing to prosecute certain classes of crime - ones where rich people steal from poor people. It is the unevenness of prosecution that enrages people. A rich kid can rape an unconscious woman and leave her in a dumpster, and get no jail time, whereas someone can go to jail for five years for voting as a felon, not deliberately simply because she didn't know that the US disenfranchises criminals for life in many states.
lazide 5y ago
Yikes. Seems like an environment that would just encourage more fraud too - what other recourse do the victims have except social media outage, but then that outs them as dumb enough to fall for it. Most won’t.