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Not to a protest, to an unlawful occupation of the capital. I'm 100% behind that. I'm sorry. And so are over 2/3 of Canadians. Play stupid games, win stupid pri

Not to a protest, to an unlawful occupation of the capital. I'm 100% behind that. I'm sorry. And so are over 2/3 of Canadians. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [edit] I would be just as glib about someone who donated $50 to Hezbollah and got their accounts shut down. [edit2] Trudeau has a minority government, and minority governments both require another party to prop them up - and have an average tenure of 1 year and 140 days. It's been 154 days already. There will be an election in less than a year, on average. We have courts, we have ballot boxes. Use them. [edit3] I say this as someone who did not vote for the Liberals, and is open to revisiting restrictions.

stickfigure 5y ago
> I would be just as glib about someone who donated $50 to Hezbollah and got their accounts shut down. When the truckers start lobbing rockets into population zones, this comparison might be reasonable. The increasingly common habit of comparing everyone with Wrong Political Opinions to terrorists does not sit well with me.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  I'm not - I'm saying that contributing to an unlawful activity after being warned not to, very publicly ("playing stupid games") is subject to winning stupid prizes.
guilhas 5y ago
People donate to a protest when they believe what they stand for, like being against mandatory vaccination, not when they made sure that every protester is following the law Besides how can a peaceful protest be unlawful? I hear that in China when protests are "unlawful" when they disagree with the great leader
- arcticbull 5y ago
  There was a court case that settled this if you're curious to learn more. [1] Not only did they rule it unlawful, they gave the truckers a few hours after the ruling came down to vacate the area before it went into effect. They have been given every opportunity. They decided that rather than following the lawful orders of the court, they would simply continue their occupation. This isn't a protest, it's an unlawful occupation. Canada has a long history of peaceful protest. If they'd picketed on the streets in front of Parliament Hill as hundreds of thousands have done over the last century nobody would have batted an eyelash. In fact the government gave them three full weeks of outright occupation before they began to ask them to leave - then eventually told them to in no uncertain terms. After all there have been tens of other anti-vaxx protests in Canada over the last two years. None were treated this way. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461
  - episteme 5y ago
    Nobody batting an eyelid probably isn't the goal of a protest though. I hope these peaceful protests sometimes do make a difference at least.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      > Nobody batting an eyelid probably isn't the goal of a protest though. Indeed, but the protests made national news basically each time. There's a lot of folks from outside Canada suddenly paying attention when they were not, at all, paying attention to Canada over the last few months, years or even decades. Context matters and a lot of folks. I don't know if you're Canadian or not, but most commenters have none - but still insist on raising their pitchforks over something they either do not understand or do not have any context on.
  - guilhas 5y ago
    "The injunction was filed by the city of Windsor and the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, which argued that they were losing as much as $50m ($39m; £29m) per day because of the convoy" Really? A protest deemed illegal because some company is loosing money? That's one of the points of peaceful protest, making non violent pressure where possible. If there was no more food and they were blocking it I could understand, but this is just keeps getting more ridiculous. Please call in the emergency act used only 3 times in the past, 2 of them world wars BLM protests caused billions in damages, fire, looting, vandalism... And Trudeau supported it And peaceful protesters were harassed by police in other locations
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      You asked, and I answered. It was deemed an illegal protest by a court of law. Canada is a rule of law country. If you don't like the ruling you can appeal. You are also free to disagree. It's not that they were protesting, it's how. > BLM protests caused billions in damages, fire, looting, vandalism... And Trudeau supported it This feels a lot like whataboutism. I didn't vote for Trudeau last election and I do not plan to vote for Trudeau this election. That doesn't change my opinion of the lawfulness or correctness of the actions taken here. Only 1/3 of Canadians voted for Trudeau last election but 2/3 of Canadians support this decision. So clearly it can't just be LPC voters or "Trudeauphiles." I don't think I can get 2/3 of my coworkers to agree on a dinner spot for an offset. It's only slightly less than the percentage of dentists who think Oral B makes your teeth fall out. Politically speaking that's a heck of a support base. > And peaceful protesters were harassed by police in other locations Obviously I do not support this behavior. I believe in broad-based police and prison reform. I don't wish any harm on the protestors. I think they're misguided, but I do believe they want for what they think is best. I do however wish them a speedy GTFO the capital and border crossings. I hope that once things are cleared out and order is restored that they return to parliament, without trucks - but instead, with their signs. They deserve to be heard.

stickfigure 5y ago

> I would be just as glib about someone who donated $50 to Hezbollah and got their accounts shut down. When the truckers start lobbing rockets into population zones, this comparison might be reasonable. The increasingly common habit of comparing everyone with Wrong Political Opinions to terrorists does not sit well with me.

arcticbull 5y ago
I'm not - I'm saying that contributing to an unlawful activity after being warned not to, very publicly ("playing stupid games") is subject to winning stupid prizes.

guilhas 5y ago

People donate to a protest when they believe what they stand for, like being against mandatory vaccination, not when they made sure that every protester is following the law Besides how can a peaceful protest be unlawful? I hear that in China when protests are "unlawful" when they disagree with the great leader

arcticbull 5y ago
There was a court case that settled this if you're curious to learn more. [1] Not only did they rule it unlawful, they gave the truckers a few hours after the ruling came down to vacate the area before it went into effect. They have been given every opportunity. They decided that rather than following the lawful orders of the court, they would simply continue their occupation. This isn't a protest, it's an unlawful occupation. Canada has a long history of peaceful protest. If they'd picketed on the streets in front of Parliament Hill as hundreds of thousands have done over the last century nobody would have batted an eyelash. In fact the government gave them three full weeks of outright occupation before they began to ask them to leave - then eventually told them to in no uncertain terms. After all there have been tens of other anti-vaxx protests in Canada over the last two years. None were treated this way. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461
- episteme 5y ago
  Nobody batting an eyelid probably isn't the goal of a protest though. I hope these peaceful protests sometimes do make a difference at least.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    > Nobody batting an eyelid probably isn't the goal of a protest though. Indeed, but the protests made national news basically each time. There's a lot of folks from outside Canada suddenly paying attention when they were not, at all, paying attention to Canada over the last few months, years or even decades. Context matters and a lot of folks. I don't know if you're Canadian or not, but most commenters have none - but still insist on raising their pitchforks over something they either do not understand or do not have any context on.
- guilhas 5y ago
  "The injunction was filed by the city of Windsor and the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, which argued that they were losing as much as $50m ($39m; £29m) per day because of the convoy" Really? A protest deemed illegal because some company is loosing money? That's one of the points of peaceful protest, making non violent pressure where possible. If there was no more food and they were blocking it I could understand, but this is just keeps getting more ridiculous. Please call in the emergency act used only 3 times in the past, 2 of them world wars BLM protests caused billions in damages, fire, looting, vandalism... And Trudeau supported it And peaceful protesters were harassed by police in other locations
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    You asked, and I answered. It was deemed an illegal protest by a court of law. Canada is a rule of law country. If you don't like the ruling you can appeal. You are also free to disagree. It's not that they were protesting, it's how. > BLM protests caused billions in damages, fire, looting, vandalism... And Trudeau supported it This feels a lot like whataboutism. I didn't vote for Trudeau last election and I do not plan to vote for Trudeau this election. That doesn't change my opinion of the lawfulness or correctness of the actions taken here. Only 1/3 of Canadians voted for Trudeau last election but 2/3 of Canadians support this decision. So clearly it can't just be LPC voters or "Trudeauphiles." I don't think I can get 2/3 of my coworkers to agree on a dinner spot for an offset. It's only slightly less than the percentage of dentists who think Oral B makes your teeth fall out. Politically speaking that's a heck of a support base. > And peaceful protesters were harassed by police in other locations Obviously I do not support this behavior. I believe in broad-based police and prison reform. I don't wish any harm on the protestors. I think they're misguided, but I do believe they want for what they think is best. I do however wish them a speedy GTFO the capital and border crossings. I hope that once things are cleared out and order is restored that they return to parliament, without trucks - but instead, with their signs. They deserve to be heard.