4 ms·

> Next time it won't Sadly, it most likely will. The left I used to know wouldn't be caught dead cheering on the coordination between federal government and pr

> Next time it won't Sadly, it most likely will. The left I used to know wouldn't be caught dead cheering on the coordination between federal government and private businesses/banks to deny people the ability to organize and protest. But here we are, and there we'll be when the government decides to label whatever the next movement is as a "threat to democracy."

bb88 5y ago
Let's lean into this. > to organize and protest. All the sit-ins in the past 60 years of protesting, ended up in people being arrested. And fines (as well as imprisonment) were levied against the arrested protesters for disruption of government operations and services. Further these days, often protesters go in expecting to be arrested. Activists will often seek people who aren't afraid of being arrested. If you cause damage during the protest, you really can't whine about the punishment. > The left I used to know wouldn't be caught dead cheering on the coordination between federal government... Oh I think Abbie Hoffman's supporters would still hate the FBI COINTELPRO today. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO) Hoover's FBI more or less got away with infiltration and assassination because the enemy was "stinking hippies" or "terrorists".
- colpabar 5y ago
  > Hoover's FBI more or less got away with infiltration and assassination because the enemy was "stinking hippies" or "terrorists". But don't you see any kind of resemblance to that and what's happening currently with the all the "nazis" and "white supremacists"? It's odd to me that you can mention COINTELPRO and think that things like that don't still happen. I guess you can rightly say that I have no proof of that. But in 50 years, if we ever get documents released explaining how COINTELPRO was expanded and used against lots of the movements of our time, you owe me a beer.
  - bb88 5y ago
    There's a lot of people that hate the CIA with good reason. The FBI has apparently never met an agent involved killing it didn't like, and sure there's lots of corruption on the local level, from cops to politicians. But COINTELPRO is the premier example of law enforcement corruption in the US, and those who were affected by it still live with it to this day. And I don't think anyone really wants justice served without due process in the US these days. And arguing that your opponents support that or are willing to look the other way when it happens is rather unfair. If the truckers staged a boycott instead of an occupation, I feel like their side might have a lot more sympathy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott As to your red herring about the right being labeled as "nazi"s, I think the media does a pretty good job of portraying the "Racist Right" from the "Right". It's also pretty clear whether a politician/person/group/etc is willing to openly denouce racism or not.
drewcoo 5y ago
The left you used to know rightly deemed that fascism. Before everyone on the neu-left started painting all of their "enemies" with the term, that is.
Comevius 5y ago
Canada did good. The courts will do the rest. It's a democratically elected government, the public gave it this power and approved it's use. This is what the Canadian public wants. The protesters are part of a fringe far-right movement. They had a month to make their case. They made it. It did not do any good for anyone.

bb88 5y ago

Let's lean into this. > to organize and protest. All the sit-ins in the past 60 years of protesting, ended up in people being arrested. And fines (as well as imprisonment) were levied against the arrested protesters for disruption of government operations and services. Further these days, often protesters go in expecting to be arrested. Activists will often seek people who aren't afraid of being arrested. If you cause damage during the protest, you really can't whine about the punishment. > The left I used to know wouldn't be caught dead cheering on the coordination between federal government... Oh I think Abbie Hoffman's supporters would still hate the FBI COINTELPRO today. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO) Hoover's FBI more or less got away with infiltration and assassination because the enemy was "stinking hippies" or "terrorists".

colpabar 5y ago
> Hoover's FBI more or less got away with infiltration and assassination because the enemy was "stinking hippies" or "terrorists". But don't you see any kind of resemblance to that and what's happening currently with the all the "nazis" and "white supremacists"? It's odd to me that you can mention COINTELPRO and think that things like that don't still happen. I guess you can rightly say that I have no proof of that. But in 50 years, if we ever get documents released explaining how COINTELPRO was expanded and used against lots of the movements of our time, you owe me a beer.
- bb88 5y ago
  There's a lot of people that hate the CIA with good reason. The FBI has apparently never met an agent involved killing it didn't like, and sure there's lots of corruption on the local level, from cops to politicians. But COINTELPRO is the premier example of law enforcement corruption in the US, and those who were affected by it still live with it to this day. And I don't think anyone really wants justice served without due process in the US these days. And arguing that your opponents support that or are willing to look the other way when it happens is rather unfair. If the truckers staged a boycott instead of an occupation, I feel like their side might have a lot more sympathy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott As to your red herring about the right being labeled as "nazi"s, I think the media does a pretty good job of portraying the "Racist Right" from the "Right". It's also pretty clear whether a politician/person/group/etc is willing to openly denouce racism or not.

drewcoo 5y ago

The left you used to know rightly deemed that fascism. Before everyone on the neu-left started painting all of their "enemies" with the term, that is.

Comevius 5y ago

Canada did good. The courts will do the rest. It's a democratically elected government, the public gave it this power and approved it's use. This is what the Canadian public wants. The protesters are part of a fringe far-right movement. They had a month to make their case. They made it. It did not do any good for anyone.