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> This was one year after similar group attacked the American Capitolium. Assuming you are referring to the January 6th insurrection incident, I don't think th

by lowkey 5y ago

> This was one year after similar group attacked the American Capitolium. Assuming you are referring to the January 6th insurrection incident, I don't think the two are comparable. What happened in Canada could fairly be described as an occupation and would therefore be most similar to the Occupy Wall Street movement. Notably the Occupy movement, despite being equally frustrating for the local and national government as well as the civilian population, was allowed to go on for close to 2 years. I don't claim that Canada should have allowed this protest/occupation to go on for that long, but I think it is clear that had the Ottawa police had the will to take action, the existing laws were sufficient to put an end to any illegal activity. Peaceful protest, not occupation, is lawful under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So my hypothesis is that the Canadian Government implemented the Emergency Measures act in order to suspend the Charter so they could suppress an otherwise lawful activity.

joshuamorton 5y ago
> Notably the Occupy movement, despite being equally frustrating for the local and national government as well as the civilian population, was allowed to go on for close to 2 years. Politically this is probably true, but ows never as far as I recall blocked main roads, and certainly not for extended periods. Whatever you think the legitimacy of that tactic is, it's not the same. And fwiw the ottowa police claimed that they didn't have the resources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/ottawa-protests-police-face-pressure-over-response https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/ottawa-protest..., though I too question that claim.
- pyuser583 5y ago
  This is not true. The occupy movement did block main roads. When they were doing their thing, my drive to work (and back) tripled. BLM did the same. Police need to be able to stop those who break the law, while simultaneously protecting those who are merely protesting. Even if they’re part of the same crowd.
  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    The truckers were allowed to block the roads after promising to only do so for 3 days.
    - pyuser583 5y ago
      So the police weren’t doing their jobs. This is especially insane because you can no longer distinguish between “protestors legally protesting” and “protestors illegally blocking critical infrastructure.” That is very much the government being stupid.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    I can find some examples of protestors blocking main roads and getting arrested the same day (https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-more-than-700-arrested-after-protesters-block-traffic-on-brooklyn-bridge-during-rush-hour https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/occupy-wall-s... among others), but no news or reporting on continuous multi-day blockages (probably because, as far as I can tell, there are tons of examples of them being swiftly arrested, same with BLM). But not, like literally making roads impassable at all hours for days (https://www.dw.com/en/canada-court-orders-protesting-truckers-to-stop-honking/a-60693576 https://www.dw.com/en/canada-court-orders-protesting-trucker...). (and there's something to be said for "the police shouldn't be able to put down a large scale protest of involving thousands of people and vehicles. Perhaps if the police force is powerful enough to do that, it's too strong?)
    - pyuser583 5y ago
      So with BLM there were blockages of one main road, then another, then another. Not continuous. At “protest time” which is when people were getting off work. Lasted for a few days at most, not like in Canada. Occupy protestors took a nearby park. Tried to stay out of the way otherwise. It’s complicated whether they were responsible for blockage. Initially it was police who were in the way. After a while the police left but the activists stayed. The park and area around in became uninhabitable and unnavigable. Garbage in streets. Very different protests. And very different from what’s happening in Canada.

by lowkey 5y ago

joshuamorton 5y ago

> Notably the Occupy movement, despite being equally frustrating for the local and national government as well as the civilian population, was allowed to go on for close to 2 years. Politically this is probably true, but ows never as far as I recall blocked main roads, and certainly not for extended periods. Whatever you think the legitimacy of that tactic is, it's not the same. And fwiw the ottowa police claimed that they didn't have the resources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/ottawa-protests-police-face-pressure-over-response https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/ottawa-protest..., though I too question that claim.

pyuser583 5y ago
This is not true. The occupy movement did block main roads. When they were doing their thing, my drive to work (and back) tripled. BLM did the same. Police need to be able to stop those who break the law, while simultaneously protecting those who are merely protesting. Even if they’re part of the same crowd.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  The truckers were allowed to block the roads after promising to only do so for 3 days.
  - pyuser583 5y ago
    So the police weren’t doing their jobs. This is especially insane because you can no longer distinguish between “protestors legally protesting” and “protestors illegally blocking critical infrastructure.” That is very much the government being stupid.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  I can find some examples of protestors blocking main roads and getting arrested the same day (https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-more-than-700-arrested-after-protesters-block-traffic-on-brooklyn-bridge-during-rush-hour https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/occupy-wall-s... among others), but no news or reporting on continuous multi-day blockages (probably because, as far as I can tell, there are tons of examples of them being swiftly arrested, same with BLM). But not, like literally making roads impassable at all hours for days (https://www.dw.com/en/canada-court-orders-protesting-truckers-to-stop-honking/a-60693576 https://www.dw.com/en/canada-court-orders-protesting-trucker...). (and there's something to be said for "the police shouldn't be able to put down a large scale protest of involving thousands of people and vehicles. Perhaps if the police force is powerful enough to do that, it's too strong?)
  - pyuser583 5y ago
    So with BLM there were blockages of one main road, then another, then another. Not continuous. At “protest time” which is when people were getting off work. Lasted for a few days at most, not like in Canada. Occupy protestors took a nearby park. Tried to stay out of the way otherwise. It’s complicated whether they were responsible for blockage. Initially it was police who were in the way. After a while the police left but the activists stayed. The park and area around in became uninhabitable and unnavigable. Garbage in streets. Very different protests. And very different from what’s happening in Canada.