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> But, every $BIG_CORP out there has on their roadmap a long-term plan to either drastically reduce their spend on Oracle products, or more often, eliminate it

by beachy 5y ago

> But, every $BIG_CORP out there has on their roadmap a long-term plan to either drastically reduce their spend on Oracle products, or more often, eliminate it entirely. Hyperbole much? I guarantee there are plenty of companies doing giant transaction rates happily and stably on their big Oracle. And plenty of ERP customers who are resigned to staying on their Oracle platform for the foreseeable future, even if only because the competitors are just as greedy shark as Oracle.

tharne 5y ago
It really isn't hyperbole. Ask 10 random CTO's about Oracle, and the majority will tell you they're looking for offramps. It's not just a matter of Oracle being greedy, it's that they are also bullying and difficult to work with. And their licensing rules are one of the circles of hell.
- rconti 5y ago
  And that has been true for 15 years.
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    The alternatives have been getting better and better. With free software, you can just use an older version if it's better; with Oracle, the latest version is what gets supported, so it can get worse.
- cptaj 5y ago
  Saying that and actually putting in the effort to do it are monumentally different things in some orgs
- jmull 5y ago
  I mean, I'm sure our CTO would tell you they are looking for an offramp. From time to time we start an initiative to do so (i.e., when there is a new set of executives at a certain level). However, as the awareness of the actual scope and cost of migrating away becomes clear, the effort is dropped. It's technically possible, but also risky and no one wants to practically pause other development while it occurs -- which makes sense since that would probably be fatal.
  - virgilp 5y ago
    And you know what tends to happen? Something comes along, that makes it feasible. It might be something surprising. And then, all of the sudden, there's no way to respond - because Oracle the company is so entrenched in the business model of profiting from locked-in customers, that they can't develop a novel response to a novel threat.

by beachy 5y ago

tharne 5y ago

It really isn't hyperbole. Ask 10 random CTO's about Oracle, and the majority will tell you they're looking for offramps. It's not just a matter of Oracle being greedy, it's that they are also bullying and difficult to work with. And their licensing rules are one of the circles of hell.

rconti 5y ago
And that has been true for 15 years.
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  The alternatives have been getting better and better. With free software, you can just use an older version if it's better; with Oracle, the latest version is what gets supported, so it can get worse.
cptaj 5y ago
Saying that and actually putting in the effort to do it are monumentally different things in some orgs
jmull 5y ago
I mean, I'm sure our CTO would tell you they are looking for an offramp. From time to time we start an initiative to do so (i.e., when there is a new set of executives at a certain level). However, as the awareness of the actual scope and cost of migrating away becomes clear, the effort is dropped. It's technically possible, but also risky and no one wants to practically pause other development while it occurs -- which makes sense since that would probably be fatal.
- virgilp 5y ago
  And you know what tends to happen? Something comes along, that makes it feasible. It might be something surprising. And then, all of the sudden, there's no way to respond - because Oracle the company is so entrenched in the business model of profiting from locked-in customers, that they can't develop a novel response to a novel threat.