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"It’s amazing the percentage of people in computer science that don’t want to be in the office for a normal life," - yes, but not amazing "I don’t think we nee

"It’s amazing the percentage of people in computer science that don’t want to be in the office for a normal life," - yes, but not amazing "I don’t think we needed all these goddamn meetings and airplane flights." - yep "simpler, cheaper, and more efficient," - yeah "if your job in life is to get on the telephone and talk to other engineers around the world to solve problems, why do you have to do it from an office" - right "it could be a good thing that people are going to commute less" - not could be, will be

AtlasBarfed 5y ago
Point 1: yeah, but you have just made yourself MORE replaceable with an offshore programmer if you don't provide the in-person feedback/communication as a programmer Point 2: yeah, but long term you get MORE meetings for baselining, communication, etc, just like with offshore communications (for better or worse) Point 4: yes, but again, don't make yourself offshorable KEEP IN MIND THAT COMPANIES WILL SHOOT BACK WITH OFFSHORING. If you aren't useful in person, then... why have you at all? This may be the moment that large chunks of previously untargeted sections in middle management get wholesale sent off, and not just IT functions. If the quiet rebellion is "not to come to the office", then they will experiment with new hires that are dirt cheap elsewhere to see if things stay the same. Then again, it may be that management realizes how much they need ... people ... in-person for them to function, and relentless offshoring reduces their corporations to shells. ANd they'll walk the halls lonely for the olden days. HA JUST KIDDING they'll just look at the bottom line. More relevant to the silicon valley crowd here: actual startups and collaborative development work won't change much. But a lot of expensive FAANG personnel will at a minimum get nearshored from this. Get cheaper midwestern people and the like. They already started this with HR imposing "cost of living" adjustments on offers and work locations. A lot of the "big tech" companies will do nearshoring to cut their costs out of this era.
- leetcrew 5y ago
  > But a lot of expensive FAANG personnel will at a minimum get nearshored from this. Get cheaper midwestern people and the like. I would doubt this. amazon, google, etc were already hiring aggressively all over the world before covid. WFH does not really increase their recruitment base; the bottleneck is the pipeline itself and the entire world's supply of engineers that can solve leetcode problems.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    A lot of people who can solve leetcode problems don't want to move to the west coast for a cornucopia of reasons. I don't know how much that will open the market, but it might have at least a minor impact.
    - leetcrew 5y ago
      you don't have to move to the west coast to be near a Google office, and you didn't precovid either. they have offices all over the place. https://careers.google.com/locations/ https://careers.google.com/locations/ there may be downsides to locations other than the main HQ; I dunno, I don't work at google. but they're not going to move all their CA positions to India. they're already hiring as many people as they can in India.
- Clubber 5y ago
  I'd argue that in the last 20+ years, all the companies that were willing to offshore have already done so. The ones that don't offshore are concerned with communication barriers, time zones and culture. All those are still in place for US workers who remote. The push for "back into office," is more for commercial real estate markets and tax revenue I suspect. As a company, remote work is attractive for a couple reasons: 1. Price. I could skip paying $10K+ a month on an office building. 2. Security. Mandated shutdowns were highly disruptive for businesses. Remote work immunizes that for the most part.

AtlasBarfed 5y ago

Point 1: yeah, but you have just made yourself MORE replaceable with an offshore programmer if you don't provide the in-person feedback/communication as a programmer Point 2: yeah, but long term you get MORE meetings for baselining, communication, etc, just like with offshore communications (for better or worse) Point 4: yes, but again, don't make yourself offshorable KEEP IN MIND THAT COMPANIES WILL SHOOT BACK WITH OFFSHORING. If you aren't useful in person, then... why have you at all? This may be the moment that large chunks of previously untargeted sections in middle management get wholesale sent off, and not just IT functions. If the quiet rebellion is "not to come to the office", then they will experiment with new hires that are dirt cheap elsewhere to see if things stay the same. Then again, it may be that management realizes how much they need ... people ... in-person for them to function, and relentless offshoring reduces their corporations to shells. ANd they'll walk the halls lonely for the olden days. HA JUST KIDDING they'll just look at the bottom line. More relevant to the silicon valley crowd here: actual startups and collaborative development work won't change much. But a lot of expensive FAANG personnel will at a minimum get nearshored from this. Get cheaper midwestern people and the like. They already started this with HR imposing "cost of living" adjustments on offers and work locations. A lot of the "big tech" companies will do nearshoring to cut their costs out of this era.

leetcrew 5y ago
> But a lot of expensive FAANG personnel will at a minimum get nearshored from this. Get cheaper midwestern people and the like. I would doubt this. amazon, google, etc were already hiring aggressively all over the world before covid. WFH does not really increase their recruitment base; the bottleneck is the pipeline itself and the entire world's supply of engineers that can solve leetcode problems.
- Clubber 5y ago
  A lot of people who can solve leetcode problems don't want to move to the west coast for a cornucopia of reasons. I don't know how much that will open the market, but it might have at least a minor impact.
  - leetcrew 5y ago
    you don't have to move to the west coast to be near a Google office, and you didn't precovid either. they have offices all over the place. https://careers.google.com/locations/ https://careers.google.com/locations/ there may be downsides to locations other than the main HQ; I dunno, I don't work at google. but they're not going to move all their CA positions to India. they're already hiring as many people as they can in India.
Clubber 5y ago
I'd argue that in the last 20+ years, all the companies that were willing to offshore have already done so. The ones that don't offshore are concerned with communication barriers, time zones and culture. All those are still in place for US workers who remote. The push for "back into office," is more for commercial real estate markets and tax revenue I suspect. As a company, remote work is attractive for a couple reasons: 1. Price. I could skip paying $10K+ a month on an office building. 2. Security. Mandated shutdowns were highly disruptive for businesses. Remote work immunizes that for the most part.