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Medieval Photoshop
- legrande 5y agoHow Warhol of them
- marcodiego 5y agoNot directly related but... I had to service a Windows 10 computer yesterday. It had Adobe Acrobat Reader DC installed. The computer was extremely slow (i3, 4 GB, non-SSD) thanks to the combination of system and software installed. Not that the software is that different from what many end-users would have: lenovo-problemware, norton, msoffice and a synaptics tool. Some of the processes taking memory, processor and disk were multiple instancies RdrCEF.exe, AcroCEF.exe and Acrobat Reader DC itself. And there wasn't any PDF open! Because of what Adobe turned out, and I'm not even talking about licenses here, it would be a favor to humanity if we try to undo "photoshop" as a synonym for image editing.
- legrande 5y ago> it would be a favor to humanity if we try to undo "photoshop" as a synonym for image editing Well it's already common vernacular that won't go away any time soon. Many people including myself have old versions of PS installed on some dusty machine and it does its job well. It's now impossible to get free/cracked versions of the latest PS because it's all cloud based now, but there is a large cohort of people using older versions.
- azalemeth 5y ago> It's now impossible to get free/cracked versions of the latest PS because it's all cloud based now, but there is a large cohort of people using older versions. That's objectively not true – I understand that there are a lot of cracked versions of the creative suite out there - perhaps a few months behind the latest release, but certainly not by much. As ever, this is the problem that makes me hate DRM: paying customers get a worse product. I have a legal license of CS6 and I am writing this comment on a Mac running 10.14 partly as a consequence (it is the last version of the OS to run 32 bit apps -- of which I have a fair few). I will not take out a subscription to Adobe to get a newer version -- I just will not do it. If I pirated everything, I'd be in a much "better position" in many ways.
- legrande 5y ago> I understand that there are a lot of cracked versions of the creative suite out there I haven't looked, but it's my understanding that you need an ADOBE login that you use to interact with Creative Suite, so by 'cloud based' I mean the software is all Internet facing now. There are probably workarounds for that in the warez scene however.
- LeonB 5y ago> this is the problem that makes me hate DRM: paying customers get a worse product Substitute the word “piracy” in place of DRM, and you’re closer to the cause. (Though I’d definitely concede that a lot of heavy-handed DRM and cloud-only is less about reducing “piracy” and more about controlling customers and enabling rent-seeking on a massive scale.)
- anarticle 5y agoAs for naming, this has happened many times, you can see examples like Xerox, Kleenex, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark I noticed in the UK it is much more common. You can see it in terms like hoovering, sellotape, tipex, and biro. Never thought I'd see the day I post a quora but here we are! https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-British-use-the-word-hoover-instead-of-vacuum https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-British-use-the-word-hoover...
- kingcharles 5y agoWhat's odd is that, being a Brit in the UK I often use these generic trademarks out of habit. But, sometimes when I say Hoover here in the USA people get what I mean. So it must have had an effect over here, but smaller?
- jacobr1 5y agoHoover was a dominant brand in the US, but never fully generalized. So when you say hoover, many people in the US (especially when used in context, like "I need to hoover the carpet") will probably get what you are saying. My wife refers to "Lysoling" the counters, which isn't standard usage (and we usually use generic target brands anyway) but plenty of people we know get what she means.
- ghaff 5y agoGeneric verb "hoover" is probably used more in the US as a deliberately informal/colloquial synonym to ingest or something like that. e.g. hoover up all your data.
- dotancohen 5y agoThat probably has as much to do with J Edgar Hoover as it does with the Hoover vacuum cleaner company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
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- subjectsigma 5y agoThe YouTube channel Shadiversity has a series called 'Medieval Misconceptions' which I really enjoy: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWklwxMTl4sx73IrJ4PPUJmulfsHxBJ7M https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWklwxMTl4sx73IrJ4PPUJmul... The overarching theme of this series is that medieval people were not dumb, they just had different cultures and less technology. The more I learn about it the more I come to appreciate this idea. Of course if drawing images was expensive and difficult, someone would find a way to make copies and edits of existing images! It's what any of us would do.
- bombcar 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_technology has a long list of things that we might ascribe to either the Romans or to the late Renaissance but are firmly in the misnamed "Dark ages".
- LeonB 5y agoThere’s a childrens show called “Horrible Histories” that tried to make history “fun” for kids. They continually indicate that people in the past were very stupid and brutal. Horrible history show.
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- Ansil849 5y ago> There’s a childrens show called “Horrible Histories” that tried to make history “fun” for kids. They continually indicate that people in the past were very stupid and brutal. Horrible history show. But people were (and continue to be) stupid and brutal. If anything, the Horrible Histories series whitewashes and plays down many of the actual stupid brutalities, so as to make the history child-friendly. But there are events like cat burnings in European history up to the 1800s, where people would gather in the town square and set giant bags of cats on fire [1]. The edition of Horrible Histories that comes out in the year 2100 about the 21st century is going to describe the most stupid and brutal period yet. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning
- Tabular-Iceberg 5y agoSounds more like medieval clip-art than Photoshop.
- ben_w 5y agoClip-art! This explains why medieval art had weird proportions and perspectives everywhere, they were medieval power-point slides. :)
- WalterBright 5y agoIt wasn't all that long ago that cut-and-paste literally meant cut with scissors and paste with glue. It certainly seems barbaric today.
- pomian 5y agoThis is a great example of a "Hacker" News article, revealing true hacker tricks.
- Hokusai 5y agoFor me the first version of photo editing happened in Russia. Enemies of Stalin were erased from photos and from Russian history. Copy pasting images is kind of different. Photocopies have been part of the comic book trade way before using computers. I see these techniques closer to it. - https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/the-photo-book-that-captured-how-the-soviet-regime-made-the-truth-disappear https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/the-photo-book...
- michaelbuckbee 5y agoThe last time I was at a museum I learned that some medieval painters would create "templates" of a sort where the majority of the painting would be complete except the face. They'd travel around and if you bought the painting they'd fill it in with your face. It makes a lot of sense, but was a level of automation and customization I hadn't considered.
- bluGill 5y agoNot just medieval. that practice continued in the 1800s, up until photography. The rich would hire a painter to do everything, but those with less wealth - or the more frugal rich - would hire a painter to just do the face and hands. Hands are important, not just the face. Everything else about the body is covered by clothing (notice long sleeves - avoids having to paint the arms), and so can be done in a more convenient location. I wouldn't be surprised if the practice predates writing as is is really obvious and some people have more a talent for painting. In Iowa painters would spend all winter (when snow made it hard to get around) painting bodies. then in summer when getting around was easy they would travel around, whenever someone hired them for a picture they would select a pre-painted portrait and add the face and hands. In the Iowa governors mansion there is such a picture where the guides point out the the boy in some picture was holding a club (probably for croquette) in an impossible way because the club was already in the picture. (the picture is from the second owner of the mansion, long before the state bought it)
- guessbest 5y agoAll the way back to the Romans, the statues had detachable heads so that one ruler or governor's head could be replaced by the next.
- matsemann 5y agoI don't quite understand what's being copied/reused here. Is it stamps being used to make copies of something?
- codazoda 5y agoI didn’t read all of it but they do talk a bit about woodcuts. That was a hobby of mine for a while. It’s where you carve a “stamp” into a piece of wood.
- egypturnash 5y agoThey were cutting up printed images and pasting them together, in a process commonly known as “collage”.
- toponaut 5y agoWas the final manuscript glued together then? If so, this whole article seems off-point. Why not just say "this old manuscript has images made up of several layers, it looks like collage"? I was assuming this college technique was used to make a (plan for a) new woodcutting. Edit:college -> collage
- egypturnash 5y agoYeah the decision to never say “collage” even once is a strange one. It looks like the glued-up piece is the final manuscript to me.
- WalterBright 5y agoBack in medieval times, monasteries full of monks would painstakingly create copies of books by hand, letter by letter. In the late medieval period, Xerox ran a commercial showing a Xerox machine being delivered to a monastery, followed by a monk raising his eyes upwards in thanks as the machine cranked out perfect copies.
- fxtentacle 5y agoWhich is especially funny if you know that Xeros copiers do not actually create perfect copies, because they compress to jbig2 internally and thereby introduce lossy compression artifacts such as O to 0 replacements.
- WalterBright 5y agoThat ad predated jpg. I don't think those 70's Xerox machines did any digitization.