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> People were mad that Maisel threatened a lawsuit in a case where there's a strong, obvious argument for fair use. A legal argument, yes. Which can be tested

> People were mad that Maisel threatened a lawsuit in a case where there's a strong, obvious argument for fair use. A legal argument, yes. Which can be tested in a court; it's his right to do so, isn't it? He's the rights holder of a famous image and they used it commercially without permission. Dealing with it legally is not inappropriate, IMO. Like I say, I think if they'd asked him nicely before just either assuming they had the right, or alternately assuming he'd be OK with it, they might have had a different outcome. They did not.

fenomas 5y ago
> He's the rights holder of a famous image and they used it Begging the question - they made their own image, and then Maisel claimed it infringed his. You can agree with that claim if you like, but if someone made a directly comparable claim about a software license I think most of HN would rightly find it absurd.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  It’s not begging the question. The pixel art image is unambiguously at least a derivative work of the photograph. The issue is whether it was transformative enough to count as “fair use”. I personally think the lawsuit was kinda dickish, but it was definitely Maisel’s right to do so.
  - fenomas 5y ago
    They didn't put a copy of Maisel's photo on their CD - they asked a pixel artist to draw it, and put that on their CD. Whether doing that qualifies as a commercial use of Maisel's photo is precisely the point under contention, so "they used [his image] commercially" is what I meant begs the question.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  It's not begging the question, because it was _very_ recognisably a derived work of his image. > they made their own image, and then Maisel claimed it infringed his This is obtuse. The question at issue was whether it was *fair* use -- to make a fair use claim you are stipulating it is a *use*. I am not convinced either way.

fenomas 5y ago

> He's the rights holder of a famous image and they used it Begging the question - they made their own image, and then Maisel claimed it infringed his. You can agree with that claim if you like, but if someone made a directly comparable claim about a software license I think most of HN would rightly find it absurd.

jakelazaroff 5y ago
It’s not begging the question. The pixel art image is unambiguously at least a derivative work of the photograph. The issue is whether it was transformative enough to count as “fair use”. I personally think the lawsuit was kinda dickish, but it was definitely Maisel’s right to do so.
- fenomas 5y ago
  They didn't put a copy of Maisel's photo on their CD - they asked a pixel artist to draw it, and put that on their CD. Whether doing that qualifies as a commercial use of Maisel's photo is precisely the point under contention, so "they used [his image] commercially" is what I meant begs the question.
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
It's not begging the question, because it was _very_ recognisably a derived work of his image. > they made their own image, and then Maisel claimed it infringed his This is obtuse. The question at issue was whether it was *fair* use -- to make a fair use claim you are stipulating it is a *use*. I am not convinced either way.