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Democracies never end up in dictatorships? How much historical data do we have on that? I'm pretty sure at least brazil was democratic and then was ruled by mil

Democracies never end up in dictatorships? How much historical data do we have on that? I'm pretty sure at least brazil was democratic and then was ruled by military dictatorship (juntas) for a long time. 1940s Germany as well right? I just realized I've never seen the breakdown on that for any length of time, lets say going back to the first republics? I don't know, it seems like a lot of European countries with a pluralistic party system are heavily "Christian Socialist" (pro free market, pro property ownership, pro capitalist, pro safety net) and they don't seem to be any more prone to slide into dictatorship? I've actually have never read a compiled lists of stats of what types of government make a country impervious to dictatorial rule.

KptMarchewa 5y ago
If you redefine socialism as "what most Western Europe countries do" you can have some real paradoxical views.
- fellowniusmonk 5y ago
  I didn't.
mantas 5y ago
Thing is, marxist-communist-socialist countries don't even stay non-dehumanizing-regimes. Revolution happens, then terrible things kick in.. And then regime flames out over a loooong time. Usually accepting at least some parts of free market and plural democracy. Nazi (national-socialist) Germany was totally socialist. P.S. Your description of „socialism“ is a veeeery weird one. Apparently everything is socialist.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Thing is, marxist-communist-socialist countries don't even stay non-dehumanizing-regimes. There are no Marxist regimes; all “Communist” regimes are (or are derived from) Leninism which introduces vanguardism and other changes to avoid the prerequisite of developing proletarian class consciousness through mature capitalism in Marxism, and feature a (theoretically) transitional initial phase to replace development through private capitalism, which none have ever escaped from to anything that was supposed to be beyond it (though China rewrote the plan to include authoritarian quasi-private capitalism.) There's a wide array of arguably socialist non-“Communist” regimes, but all of them are democratic/market socialism that explicitly accepts plural democracy and regulated (not “free”) markets as important elements. > Nazi (national-socialist) Germany was totally socialist. This is true to about the same extent as “the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is totally a democratic republic” is true.

KptMarchewa 5y ago

If you redefine socialism as "what most Western Europe countries do" you can have some real paradoxical views.

fellowniusmonk 5y ago
I didn't.

mantas 5y ago

Thing is, marxist-communist-socialist countries don't even stay non-dehumanizing-regimes. Revolution happens, then terrible things kick in.. And then regime flames out over a loooong time. Usually accepting at least some parts of free market and plural democracy. Nazi (national-socialist) Germany was totally socialist. P.S. Your description of „socialism“ is a veeeery weird one. Apparently everything is socialist.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Thing is, marxist-communist-socialist countries don't even stay non-dehumanizing-regimes. There are no Marxist regimes; all “Communist” regimes are (or are derived from) Leninism which introduces vanguardism and other changes to avoid the prerequisite of developing proletarian class consciousness through mature capitalism in Marxism, and feature a (theoretically) transitional initial phase to replace development through private capitalism, which none have ever escaped from to anything that was supposed to be beyond it (though China rewrote the plan to include authoritarian quasi-private capitalism.) There's a wide array of arguably socialist non-“Communist” regimes, but all of them are democratic/market socialism that explicitly accepts plural democracy and regulated (not “free”) markets as important elements. > Nazi (national-socialist) Germany was totally socialist. This is true to about the same extent as “the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is totally a democratic republic” is true.