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Clinton was a centrist, far from socialist politician. Obama seeks the same top marginal tax rate as Clinton, while supporting lower taxes in many other areas,

Clinton was a centrist, far from socialist politician. Obama seeks the same top marginal tax rate as Clinton, while supporting lower taxes in many other areas, placing Obama to the right of Clinton. If this absurd analogy had any merit, we would have all failed many times over in the 8 year Clinton presidency. I'm also curious what the OP means when he calls Obama a "corporatist socialist". Considering the vast bulk of Obama's policies have been the socialization of losses and the privatization of profits, that phrase may be an apt description, though I get the impression thats not what the OP meant to say.

johnubis 15y ago
I consider any inequality in tax rates to be socialist, its in Marx's fucking ten point plan. How is that not socialist?
- tzs 15y ago
  Equality of rates still means people that have more pay more, so shouldn't you be arguing for equality in amount paid, not equality in rates?
- noahc 15y ago
  Marx wasn't a socialist. ;)
  - zealoushacker 15y ago
    Are you kidding me??? "Karl Heinrich Marx (5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, sociologist, economic historian, journalist, and revolutionary socialist who developed the socio-political theory of Marxism. " -Wikipedia article If you tell me that Wikipedia is not a legitimate source for the above information, shall I point you to 10 other sources that will corroborate the above?? You must have been born on another planet.
    - noahc 15y ago
      The point I was making is that what Marx believed is called Marxism and not socialism. They differ in a number of ways. 1.One is the Marxism is derived from the Hegelian German tradition of a dialectical view of social change. 2.Marxism argues that socialism is a possible, but not necessary step between capitalism and marxism. The more revolutionary the more likely this step should be avoided. 3. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism and notice how they use socialism and in what context. They use it in opposition of Marxism and Communism.
    - ricardobeat 15y ago
      Marxism is a step further than socialism. It's not nearly the same, there is wild disagreement on which rights/liberties should be respected. There is plenty of material about that in Wikipedia, too, try not to restrict yourself to one quote.

johnubis 15y ago

I consider any inequality in tax rates to be socialist, its in Marx's fucking ten point plan. How is that not socialist?

tzs 15y ago
Equality of rates still means people that have more pay more, so shouldn't you be arguing for equality in amount paid, not equality in rates?
noahc 15y ago
Marx wasn't a socialist. ;)
- zealoushacker 15y ago
  Are you kidding me??? "Karl Heinrich Marx (5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, sociologist, economic historian, journalist, and revolutionary socialist who developed the socio-political theory of Marxism. " -Wikipedia article If you tell me that Wikipedia is not a legitimate source for the above information, shall I point you to 10 other sources that will corroborate the above?? You must have been born on another planet.
  - noahc 15y ago
    The point I was making is that what Marx believed is called Marxism and not socialism. They differ in a number of ways. 1.One is the Marxism is derived from the Hegelian German tradition of a dialectical view of social change. 2.Marxism argues that socialism is a possible, but not necessary step between capitalism and marxism. The more revolutionary the more likely this step should be avoided. 3. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism and notice how they use socialism and in what context. They use it in opposition of Marxism and Communism.
  - ricardobeat 15y ago
    Marxism is a step further than socialism. It's not nearly the same, there is wild disagreement on which rights/liberties should be respected. There is plenty of material about that in Wikipedia, too, try not to restrict yourself to one quote.