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> If you cycle enough you'll know that often red lights are silly for bicycles. I disagree. I have witnessed a large number of pedestrian collisions because fe

> If you cycle enough you'll know that often red lights are silly for bicycles. I disagree. I have witnessed a large number of pedestrian collisions because fellow cyclists didn't want to stop. In london the large majority of traffic lights that "make no sense" are normally pedestrian crossings. This is why I stop at red lights, even though its more tiring. I had to administer first aid to someone who was knocked over on london bridge by a cyclist and was rendered unconscious. The sniveling little shit fucked off and left the man in the middle of the road. Yes Cyclists are smaller and more nimble, to a point. But that does not mean they are less dangerous to pedestrians. The rules are there for all road users, or not at all. In the UK at least they are there to protect the most vulnerable: pedestrians.

globular-toast 5y ago
The Idaho Stop doesn't mean you blast through red. You stop. Then proceed through if it's safe. This would be about as dangerous as accidentally walking into someone on the pavement. There are idiots with no regard to others' safety everywhere, unfortunately. I'd rather they were riding bikes than driving cars. I'm not sure if pedestrians are more vulnerable than cyclists. Maybe marginally if the cyclist is wearing a helmet but they are both essentially as vulnerable as you can be.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  > The Idaho Stop doesn't mean you blast through red. You stop. Aha, this make much more sense! > Maybe marginally if the cyclist is wearing a helmet but they are both essentially as vulnerable as you can be. Its more the point of impact, the pedestrian gets hit by the handlebars which are small and pointy. The cyclist will normally get cushioned by the pedestrian. However I suspect that numbers and collisions are tightly coupled to country. the pavement layouts are different.

globular-toast 5y ago

The Idaho Stop doesn't mean you blast through red. You stop. Then proceed through if it's safe. This would be about as dangerous as accidentally walking into someone on the pavement. There are idiots with no regard to others' safety everywhere, unfortunately. I'd rather they were riding bikes than driving cars. I'm not sure if pedestrians are more vulnerable than cyclists. Maybe marginally if the cyclist is wearing a helmet but they are both essentially as vulnerable as you can be.

KaiserPro 5y ago
> The Idaho Stop doesn't mean you blast through red. You stop. Aha, this make much more sense! > Maybe marginally if the cyclist is wearing a helmet but they are both essentially as vulnerable as you can be. Its more the point of impact, the pedestrian gets hit by the handlebars which are small and pointy. The cyclist will normally get cushioned by the pedestrian. However I suspect that numbers and collisions are tightly coupled to country. the pavement layouts are different.