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>Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I have met a few, yes, including people who are intellectually limited (colloquially called "dumb"), peopl

>Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I have met a few, yes, including people who are intellectually limited (colloquially called "dumb"), people who were born or acquired mental handicaps, people who are suffering most likely suffering from dyscalculia (dyslexia for arithmetic/numbers). E.g. we think my grandma might have had a milder form of the latter, as she had a lot of trouble adding up numbers in particular, which would have made this CAPTCHA very hard for her - but not impossible. And a friend of my mom has Turner syndrome, which is linked to dyscalculia, and she is indeed very bad at basic math.

oneoff786 5y ago
- rndgermandude 5y ago
  I don't see why my grandma - if she was still alive - or my mom's friend wouldn't be booking Airbnbs; people of at least "average" intelligence by the way, except for their issues with basic math. My mom's friend is an avid global traveler in fact, and if I remember correctly she used Airbnb on several occasions in the past, and yes, she does her own bookings.
- crimthrw2022 5y ago
  If technology doesn't make things easier, what's the point of it?
  - redsparrow 5y ago
    Well, this is a cynical answer, but I think in this case: make money. Making things easier is one way to use technology to make money. Having a significant market share and making it difficult for others to enter the market is another way to use technology to make money. There was (probably) a point in history where AirBnB existed to make things easier. Now I'm pretty sure it's just there to make money.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  [edited to remove a bit of my comment because it did actually come across as rude, my apologies] Summing dice together is not the only ability you need to solve this puzzle. It's not the totality of what is being tested. In other words, it's instructive to consider why a computer struggles to solve it with this particular photographic presentation, and why a person might.
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- kortilla 5y ago
  What the fuck does summing dice together have to do with booking an Airbnb? “If you cannot lift 100 lbs over your head, should you be operating a fork lift?”
LizardsAreCute 5y ago
In most of the cases you mentioned, that would be considered a handicap though. In such cases it's a failing on adding an accesability option or secondary option. Among people, who aren't straight up unable due to handicaps, who couldn't solve them? It seems easy enough that mostly anyone could.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  If your starting position is that dyslexia and dyscalculia are handicaps that mean people need to be treated differently, you're failing right out of the gate. They are quite common problems with a wide spectrum of severity. Back when you could take your car to a local garage, your car would very likely be repaired by a very clever person who was dyslexic (even dyscalculate) because as a career, men in particular who struggled with written language (or even modestly complex maths -- differential gear yes, differential equation no) could do it and thrive at it. Should that person be treated as handicapped if they need to fill in a form? Or should forms not be designed to make people waste their time with puzzles or kafkaesque processes of any kind?

oneoff786 5y ago

rndgermandude 5y ago
I don't see why my grandma - if she was still alive - or my mom's friend wouldn't be booking Airbnbs; people of at least "average" intelligence by the way, except for their issues with basic math. My mom's friend is an avid global traveler in fact, and if I remember correctly she used Airbnb on several occasions in the past, and yes, she does her own bookings.
crimthrw2022 5y ago
If technology doesn't make things easier, what's the point of it?
- redsparrow 5y ago
  Well, this is a cynical answer, but I think in this case: make money. Making things easier is one way to use technology to make money. Having a significant market share and making it difficult for others to enter the market is another way to use technology to make money. There was (probably) a point in history where AirBnB existed to make things easier. Now I'm pretty sure it's just there to make money.
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
[edited to remove a bit of my comment because it did actually come across as rude, my apologies] Summing dice together is not the only ability you need to solve this puzzle. It's not the totality of what is being tested. In other words, it's instructive to consider why a computer struggles to solve it with this particular photographic presentation, and why a person might.
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kortilla 5y ago
What the fuck does summing dice together have to do with booking an Airbnb? “If you cannot lift 100 lbs over your head, should you be operating a fork lift?”

LizardsAreCute 5y ago

In most of the cases you mentioned, that would be considered a handicap though. In such cases it's a failing on adding an accesability option or secondary option. Among people, who aren't straight up unable due to handicaps, who couldn't solve them? It seems easy enough that mostly anyone could.

unfocussed_mike 5y ago
If your starting position is that dyslexia and dyscalculia are handicaps that mean people need to be treated differently, you're failing right out of the gate. They are quite common problems with a wide spectrum of severity. Back when you could take your car to a local garage, your car would very likely be repaired by a very clever person who was dyslexic (even dyscalculate) because as a career, men in particular who struggled with written language (or even modestly complex maths -- differential gear yes, differential equation no) could do it and thrive at it. Should that person be treated as handicapped if they need to fill in a form? Or should forms not be designed to make people waste their time with puzzles or kafkaesque processes of any kind?