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You're not exactly leading by example, arguing off a stereotype...

avgcorrection 5y ago
Are you charging me with hypocrisy? Ok here’s the difference: - “Ineffectual EU”: this could be a well-informed or badly informed opinion. Or it could be a lazy stereotype. The OP did not elaborate so we have no way of knowing that at this point. - “EU stereotypes → aids populists”: the reasoning or association being drawn is right there in the post—You said A (or rather my interpretation of A) and that causes B. My own point was simply that one can make a counter-argument instead of complaining about how a certain assertion aids populists. Could my point have been made without the EU fan stereotype charge? Sure. But taking the high road at all costs is not my personal policy and responding tit-for-tat is OK in my book.
- jevgeni 5y ago
  Firstly, the "ineffectual EU" stereotype is a well-known trope of anti-EU populist politicians, so I'm not sure what more should be proven to you? Secondly, you say yourself, that OP does not in any way support their "ineffectual EU" statement, which is according to you not a problem. Not once did you see it as a problem. In fact, you go out of your way to hide away the implied associations in zwaps comment. But when dxdm points out that it's a populist opinion, then you become the debate police. Yes, that's hypocritical.
  - avgcorrection 5y ago
    A problem? It’s neither here nor there—people spout off all sorts of opinions on HN or any fora. So no—it’s not a problem. It’s just an opinion, not some vigorously well-researched argument. People can say that the EU is the best thing since sliced bread—also not a problem. I’m not a fan of the EU but I’m not going to accuse people who like the EU that they are “aiding the technocrats of Brussels” (or some similar over-the-top rhetoric). Yes. I do take issue with jumping to the “aid populists” conclusion from merely two words. Saying that some off-hand Internet comment is aiding authoritarians—because that’s surely the implication of “the other kind [of governance] that we see all over the world”—is hysterical.

Are you charging me with hypocrisy? Ok here’s the difference: - “Ineffectual EU”: this could be a well-informed or badly informed opinion. Or it could be a lazy stereotype. The OP did not elaborate so we have no way of knowing that at this point. - “EU stereotypes → aids populists”: the reasoning or association being drawn is right there in the post—You said A (or rather my interpretation of A) and that causes B. My own point was simply that one can make a counter-argument instead of complaining about how a certain assertion aids populists. Could my point have been made without the EU fan stereotype charge? Sure. But taking the high road at all costs is not my personal policy and responding tit-for-tat is OK in my book.

jevgeni 5y ago
Firstly, the "ineffectual EU" stereotype is a well-known trope of anti-EU populist politicians, so I'm not sure what more should be proven to you? Secondly, you say yourself, that OP does not in any way support their "ineffectual EU" statement, which is according to you not a problem. Not once did you see it as a problem. In fact, you go out of your way to hide away the implied associations in zwaps comment. But when dxdm points out that it's a populist opinion, then you become the debate police. Yes, that's hypocritical.
- avgcorrection 5y ago
  A problem? It’s neither here nor there—people spout off all sorts of opinions on HN or any fora. So no—it’s not a problem. It’s just an opinion, not some vigorously well-researched argument. People can say that the EU is the best thing since sliced bread—also not a problem. I’m not a fan of the EU but I’m not going to accuse people who like the EU that they are “aiding the technocrats of Brussels” (or some similar over-the-top rhetoric). Yes. I do take issue with jumping to the “aid populists” conclusion from merely two words. Saying that some off-hand Internet comment is aiding authoritarians—because that’s surely the implication of “the other kind [of governance] that we see all over the world”—is hysterical.