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Why are you pissed at them for? Using the same road as you?

by bertil 5y ago

danmur 5y ago
Doing things that are annoying, just like every other class of human? Exactly the same way cyclists get pissed at drivers, or pedestrians, or other cyclists.
- bertil 5y ago
  Cyclists get pissed at drivers because they dehumanise them, threaten and murder them. I don’t think that’s the problem that drivers have with cyclists.
sampo 5y ago
> Why are you pissed at them for? Just like some car drivers feel entitled to "own" the road and feel that if they hit a cyclist, it was the cyclist at fault, also some cyclists feel entitled to "own" the shared pedestrian and cycle paths, and occasionally hit pedestrians and then blame the pedestrians.
- drran 5y ago
  Even pedestrians occasionally hit pedestrians and then blame pedestrians. Very high maneuverability makes pedestrians unpredictable. The only way to avoid a collision with a pedestrian is to keep distance between you and a pedestrian, or accept that they will step right in front of your bike sometimes, or hit you on the side, when you're passing them slowly, or bump into you, when you're standing or walking with a bicycle. When on foots, I can avoid a collision with another pedestrian easily, but when I'm on a bike, I cannot do that, even when I drive at pedestrian speed.
DocTomoe 5y ago
Using the same road as me, at a fourth of my speed, thus risking a potentially dangerous situation for everyone involved, while obviously mistaking a public road for a sports arena (as evidenced by the outfit), while there is a perfectly good bike lane ten meters to the right of them. No sane person hates the random civilian cyclist who rides inner-city to his place of work, on bike lanes where available, and who acts in a predictable manner (give hand signs when making a turn, stopping when the traffic lights say so, ...). But those wannabe-Lance-Armstrongs on the country road, I can understand how they can make someone's blood boil. Even worse when they do everything to be as invisible as possible (for example, wearing mostly black).
- _Wintermute 5y ago
  > Using the same road as me, at a fourth of my speed, thus risking a potentially dangerous situation for everyone involved Sounds like it's you with the heavy fast moving object that's creating the danger in that situation.
  - HPsquared 5y ago
    It's like a person walking on train tracks - the train is the big, dangerous fast-moving thing, but the danger comes from mixing the two. You expect to see trains on a train track, indeed they can't go anywhere else. Pedestrians should walk on the pavement, not the train track. That's the "pro-car / anti-bike" angle, I think. If cars had been invented first, it would probably be illegal to ride bikes on the road. They basically were grandfathered-in.
  - charcircuit 5y ago
    If a car went 10 mph on a 50 mph road I would be just as mad as if it was a biker.
- Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
  > a perfectly good bike lane Let's see it. Street View link, please? You'd be amazed how inconvenient or dangerous many "perfectly good bike lanes" turn out to be.
  - DocTomoe 5y ago
    Just to give one example that I am faced with regularly: > https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2815263,9.5021834,162m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2815263,9.5021834,162m/data=... On the right side, there's the L1045. Speed Limit 100 km/h (around 60mph). Large curves. Lots of woods, thus shady in the summer, which reduces visibility for thin, slow-moving objects in dark clothing. On the other side of the river, there's the Kochertalradweg, which is forbidden to motor vehicles, a designated bike road, goes on for the next 25 kilometers while still hitting all the same towns the street does, and is over most of it's stretch a one-lane asphalt road. (There is a small stretch where it becomes a gravel road, with very fine gravel, for about 200 meters). Sane cyclists use the Kochertalradweg. The bike folks I encounter on the L1045 are almost exclusively 40-year-old folks who dream of their imagined glory days as a bike racers.

Why are you pissed at them for? Using the same road as you?

by bertil 5y ago

Why are you pissed at them for? Using the same road as you?

Doing things that are annoying, just like every other class of human? Exactly the same way cyclists get pissed at drivers, or pedestrians, or other cyclists.

bertil 5y ago
Cyclists get pissed at drivers because they dehumanise them, threaten and murder them. I don’t think that’s the problem that drivers have with cyclists.

sampo 5y ago

> Why are you pissed at them for? Just like some car drivers feel entitled to "own" the road and feel that if they hit a cyclist, it was the cyclist at fault, also some cyclists feel entitled to "own" the shared pedestrian and cycle paths, and occasionally hit pedestrians and then blame the pedestrians.

drran 5y ago
Even pedestrians occasionally hit pedestrians and then blame pedestrians. Very high maneuverability makes pedestrians unpredictable. The only way to avoid a collision with a pedestrian is to keep distance between you and a pedestrian, or accept that they will step right in front of your bike sometimes, or hit you on the side, when you're passing them slowly, or bump into you, when you're standing or walking with a bicycle. When on foots, I can avoid a collision with another pedestrian easily, but when I'm on a bike, I cannot do that, even when I drive at pedestrian speed.

DocTomoe 5y ago

Using the same road as me, at a fourth of my speed, thus risking a potentially dangerous situation for everyone involved, while obviously mistaking a public road for a sports arena (as evidenced by the outfit), while there is a perfectly good bike lane ten meters to the right of them. No sane person hates the random civilian cyclist who rides inner-city to his place of work, on bike lanes where available, and who acts in a predictable manner (give hand signs when making a turn, stopping when the traffic lights say so, ...). But those wannabe-Lance-Armstrongs on the country road, I can understand how they can make someone's blood boil. Even worse when they do everything to be as invisible as possible (for example, wearing mostly black).

_Wintermute 5y ago
> Using the same road as me, at a fourth of my speed, thus risking a potentially dangerous situation for everyone involved Sounds like it's you with the heavy fast moving object that's creating the danger in that situation.
- HPsquared 5y ago
  It's like a person walking on train tracks - the train is the big, dangerous fast-moving thing, but the danger comes from mixing the two. You expect to see trains on a train track, indeed they can't go anywhere else. Pedestrians should walk on the pavement, not the train track. That's the "pro-car / anti-bike" angle, I think. If cars had been invented first, it would probably be illegal to ride bikes on the road. They basically were grandfathered-in.
- charcircuit 5y ago
  If a car went 10 mph on a 50 mph road I would be just as mad as if it was a biker.
Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
> a perfectly good bike lane Let's see it. Street View link, please? You'd be amazed how inconvenient or dangerous many "perfectly good bike lanes" turn out to be.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  Just to give one example that I am faced with regularly: > https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2815263,9.5021834,162m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2815263,9.5021834,162m/data=... On the right side, there's the L1045. Speed Limit 100 km/h (around 60mph). Large curves. Lots of woods, thus shady in the summer, which reduces visibility for thin, slow-moving objects in dark clothing. On the other side of the river, there's the Kochertalradweg, which is forbidden to motor vehicles, a designated bike road, goes on for the next 25 kilometers while still hitting all the same towns the street does, and is over most of it's stretch a one-lane asphalt road. (There is a small stretch where it becomes a gravel road, with very fine gravel, for about 200 meters). Sane cyclists use the Kochertalradweg. The bike folks I encounter on the L1045 are almost exclusively 40-year-old folks who dream of their imagined glory days as a bike racers.