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As a web/fullstack with over 10 years of experience and based in EU, I don't have this impression at all. Actively applying and interviewing, still receiving ab

As a web/fullstack with over 10 years of experience and based in EU, I don't have this impression at all. Actively applying and interviewing, still receiving absurd requests to resolve various quizzes, teasers, and assignments. Potential salaries top at miserable 70-80k EUR in countries where monthly salary deductions reach 40%. It's better for me to basically seat idle and work on some personal projects.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Actively applying and interviewing, still receiving absurd requests to resolve various quizzes, teasers, and assignments. Potential salaries top at miserable 70-80k EUR in countries where monthly salary deductions reach 40%. Let me guess, France/Austria/Belgium?
- durnygbur 5y ago
  Germany, Denmark, and even Netherlands after the initial 5 years discount... list me one country where it doesn't apply...
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Netherlands to a degree has at least some big tech willing to pay six figures and up, while that's almost not the case in places like Austria and Belgium while still having insane taxes. >list me one country where it doesn't apply If you can move to Romania and freelance, you can pay as little as 1% tax. And if you freelance for six figure US gigs you've basically hit the jackpot.
    - durnygbur 5y ago
      In post-Communist countries you have social services, healthcare, and infrastructure at the level worse than in US. You're alone with your cash and every doctor, agent, and clerk looks to screw you over. It's attractive only for natives with family locally, or maybe for someone who is fluent in the native language. No salary would convince me to relocate alone to Romania.
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        >In post-Communist countries you have social services, healthcare, and infrastructure at the level worse than in US. True to a degree, but not everyone can get a visa for the US, and unless you've got an outdated view of the eastern block, safety there far better than some shady parts of some american cities. You can live without a car and walk everywhere without the fear of being mugged by homeless people or opioid addicts. >You're alone with your cash and every doctor, agent, and clerk looks to screw you over. That's true nearly everywhere you move as an expat without knowing the local language, laws and customs , even in Germany. > It's attractive only for natives with family locally, or maybe for someone who is fluent in the native language. Not really, plenty of entrepreneurial people in the tech space from Germany, Austria and the UK, etc. looking to make money and tired of the governments robbing them blind, relocate their online businesses to Romania for the massive tax saving. >No salary would convince me to relocate alone to Romania. Understandable, but you asked me to point you out a country with lower taxes than those, not to a country with perfect social system AND lower taxes.
bruce343434 5y ago
boohoo, you only earn 70-80k EUR bruto. And you get to live in Europe as well?? You realize the average bruto salary in (west) Europe is around 20-30K EUR? Even lower in east Europe? You are one of the luckiest, most privileged people alive. Yes, there's always a bigger fish/higher salary. But christ, get some perspective.
- durnygbur 5y ago
  I don't consider this entitled. The highest income tax rate kicks in at around 55-60k EUR and any amount above this translates into miniscule increase in net salary. Then EU companies during recruitment use the same tools and platforms as US companies who pay >>100k. No Amazon and Gloglle and silly startup in Berlin, with the salaries available over here I'll not study 2 months for your cutthroat tests and assignments.
- nivenkos 5y ago
  I pay 40% income tax (56% marginal), 25% sales tax, 35% electricity tax. It means 80k doesn't go as far as it'd seem, especially with increasing interest rates. Considering Americans are on 200k+, it just doesn't compare.
  - bruce343434 5y ago
    I doubt it to be honest. I think that that's just the bragging, survivor biased subset of the top enclave of salaries you can get in crazy expensive places like SF, NY, CA. And you still have taxes there, and (health) insurance costs a lot more.
    - fatnoah 5y ago
      Tax burden in those areas (all-in, including federal, state, and city) reaches 50% at the highest tiers, but 50% of $200k+ is a lot of money. Health insurance for bigger companies is usually very good, with about you paying around $400/month out of pocket for your family with a low/no deductible plan. That comes out pre-tax, so the true cost is lower, depending on your tax bracket. The end result is that insurance ends up being significantly less than 1% of your income at that level. That highlights the main problem with health care in the US, which is that your quality of care depends entirely on your employer.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>Actively applying and interviewing, still receiving absurd requests to resolve various quizzes, teasers, and assignments. Potential salaries top at miserable 70-80k EUR in countries where monthly salary deductions reach 40%. Let me guess, France/Austria/Belgium?

durnygbur 5y ago
Germany, Denmark, and even Netherlands after the initial 5 years discount... list me one country where it doesn't apply...
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Netherlands to a degree has at least some big tech willing to pay six figures and up, while that's almost not the case in places like Austria and Belgium while still having insane taxes. >list me one country where it doesn't apply If you can move to Romania and freelance, you can pay as little as 1% tax. And if you freelance for six figure US gigs you've basically hit the jackpot.
  - durnygbur 5y ago
    In post-Communist countries you have social services, healthcare, and infrastructure at the level worse than in US. You're alone with your cash and every doctor, agent, and clerk looks to screw you over. It's attractive only for natives with family locally, or maybe for someone who is fluent in the native language. No salary would convince me to relocate alone to Romania.
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      >In post-Communist countries you have social services, healthcare, and infrastructure at the level worse than in US. True to a degree, but not everyone can get a visa for the US, and unless you've got an outdated view of the eastern block, safety there far better than some shady parts of some american cities. You can live without a car and walk everywhere without the fear of being mugged by homeless people or opioid addicts. >You're alone with your cash and every doctor, agent, and clerk looks to screw you over. That's true nearly everywhere you move as an expat without knowing the local language, laws and customs , even in Germany. > It's attractive only for natives with family locally, or maybe for someone who is fluent in the native language. Not really, plenty of entrepreneurial people in the tech space from Germany, Austria and the UK, etc. looking to make money and tired of the governments robbing them blind, relocate their online businesses to Romania for the massive tax saving. >No salary would convince me to relocate alone to Romania. Understandable, but you asked me to point you out a country with lower taxes than those, not to a country with perfect social system AND lower taxes.

bruce343434 5y ago

boohoo, you only earn 70-80k EUR bruto. And you get to live in Europe as well?? You realize the average bruto salary in (west) Europe is around 20-30K EUR? Even lower in east Europe? You are one of the luckiest, most privileged people alive. Yes, there's always a bigger fish/higher salary. But christ, get some perspective.

durnygbur 5y ago
I don't consider this entitled. The highest income tax rate kicks in at around 55-60k EUR and any amount above this translates into miniscule increase in net salary. Then EU companies during recruitment use the same tools and platforms as US companies who pay >>100k. No Amazon and Gloglle and silly startup in Berlin, with the salaries available over here I'll not study 2 months for your cutthroat tests and assignments.
nivenkos 5y ago
I pay 40% income tax (56% marginal), 25% sales tax, 35% electricity tax. It means 80k doesn't go as far as it'd seem, especially with increasing interest rates. Considering Americans are on 200k+, it just doesn't compare.
- bruce343434 5y ago
  I doubt it to be honest. I think that that's just the bragging, survivor biased subset of the top enclave of salaries you can get in crazy expensive places like SF, NY, CA. And you still have taxes there, and (health) insurance costs a lot more.
  - fatnoah 5y ago
    Tax burden in those areas (all-in, including federal, state, and city) reaches 50% at the highest tiers, but 50% of $200k+ is a lot of money. Health insurance for bigger companies is usually very good, with about you paying around $400/month out of pocket for your family with a low/no deductible plan. That comes out pre-tax, so the true cost is lower, depending on your tax bracket. The end result is that insurance ends up being significantly less than 1% of your income at that level. That highlights the main problem with health care in the US, which is that your quality of care depends entirely on your employer.